What is going on?

Hey guys, I know I've not posted for awhile now but I started the topic "Unexplainable" (http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,34771.msg847466.html#msg847466) 2 years ago and I mentioned some things which I'd like to say again.

Two years have past and in that period, alot of things have changed. We've lost Torres, Meireles, Aquilani, Hicks and Gilett and King Kenny who came and left. Andy Carroll, Luis Suarez, Enrique, Henderson and more have arrived. Chelsea finally wins the Champions League and we've once again fell out of the top four in that two seasons.

Anyways, back to topic, in the previous topic I linked, these were the last 2 paragraphs I wrote.

I have thought about writing this ever since I saw Wolves take the lead against Tottenham because I felt they played well and looked really threatening for a team, who is supposed to be inferior to us! Now, we have new owners and the results improved slightly but the performance hasn't really. And as many of us notice, we seem to only play well in one half at best.

So, I'm thinking - I hope the arrival of a more ambitious (attacking minded) manager and some really good players can give me the answers to this unexplainable mystery and prove me wrong because I feel like regardless of who we sign in the future, we might still play the same. I thought the arrival of players like Cole and Meireles this season would give us better performances and once again dominate matches but we have overall been below-par, like we were last season and I feel it's almost as though we've been cursed!

And at the moment, I've been proven right.

We still play dire football, we can't find our own players and we just look so disorganised as a unit and we don't even seem to be playing football.

Last season, I kept telling my friends that we were playing decent football for most of the season and that our lack of goals/clinical finishing were the problem. It still is but in all honesty, putting aside our "blips", our performances were below-par last season, again.

I know what some are thinking - "We've just got a new manager who brought it new players and one who has new ideas, they need time to gel". But wait, Steve Clarke (YES, our very own first team coach who left 2 months ago) gets a 3-0 win against his former club. Michael Laudrup, Swansea's new manager wins 5-0 away from home. And these are two clubs supposedly inferior to us.

Reading even took a 2-1 lead against Chelsea until they were hardly done by some poor keeping and a controversial goal by Torres that put Chelsea 3-2 up. Newcastle beat Spurs last weekend. The reality of football is, anyone can actually beat anyone but whenever I watch us play, we just don't look like a football team. I don't believe Borini or Allen are inferior to the players the other clubs in the bottom half have either so while we've not exactly signed world beaters, I don't think we've signed terrible players.

I personally don't believe in that bullshit that "players need to gel" because I, for one, believe good players will adapt quickly to their teammates' way of playing. I play alot of football and granted I'm no professional but whenever I play with someone new who is good, it feels as though we've played together for a long time. Also, I don't believe that it is easy to just tell a group of players to play a certain way.

I know it's just one game of the season and we should not hit the panic button (as Stevie said) but like I stated above, why do other teams turn up and still look pretty good for a first game of the season, with a new manager and with new players. I'm just very concerned to why this has been happening to us and it's been going on for far too long.

So what is going on with the club?

I think it's a little early for this Adryan especially considering we played a fair part of the game on Saturday with 10 men and before that I thought we played some decent football.

Sweet Jesus. The new manager has had 1 league game. 3 competive games (if you want to call the last qualifying round competive) in charge. Can we give him a few games to stamp his philosophy on the team. If 12 to 15 games in were playing "dire" football then have a pop about it, but 1 game in?

I think it's a little early for this Adryan especially considering we played a fair part of the game on Saturday with 10 men and before that I thought we played some decent football.

I agree, without the red card I really think we would have at least gotten a draw. We played well against Gomel (yes I know it's only Gomel) and Leverkusen and we did fairly well up until the red card against WBA.

The reality of football is, anyone can actually beat anyone but whenever I watch us play, we just don't look like a football team.

Totally disagree with this as well as for many games last season we looked like a very good football side indeed.

Kenny has us playing some fantastic football at times which is overlooked because of how we finished in the league.

 

what is going on is a lot of uncertainty in the club and that transfers to the players like Andy for instance who does not know if he is staying or going similar to Daniel.
Also look at who has left good experienced well respected pro's and look who has replaced them lads who have achieved nothing yet.
If ever there was a need to bring in a player of world stature it is now but what chance is there none.
We have become LFC plc its all about the balance sheet.

We played one damn game though. I mean, come on. We're going to pass judgement already?

First of all, the EPL is the toughest competition in the world, where many teams can win against anyone on their day. West Brom last season ended 5 points behind us, they're not that bad. Newcastle are a damn good team now, they ended 1 point behind Spurs last season, why is them winning now a weird result? Swansea played great football last season already. These teams had good seasons last season and are continuing that, and building on that. We on the other hand are making major changes, it's going to take time.

And it's silly to compare your own football experiences to one of the best leagues in the world Adryan. The more professional football or any other sport gets, the more it comes down to details.

We still play dire football, we can't find our own players and we just look so disorganised as a unit and we don't even seem to be playing football.

Far too early too construct an opinion like that mate.

Bump this up in 6 months time & see where we are then.

Over-reactions all over the place. I thought for 60 minutes we played fine on Saturday, sure once Agger got sent off we fell to bits which isn't acceptable but the level of reaction to one game is a bit ridiculous.

We've just got a new manager who brought it new players and one who has new ideas, they need time to gel.

Maybe we should adjust your intro under your name, just delete every word after open.

Hey guys, I know I've not posted for awhile now but I started the topic "Unexplainable" (http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,34771.msg847466.html#msg847466) 2 years ago and I mentioned some things which I'd like to say again.

Two years have past and in that period, alot of things have changed. We've lost Torres, Meireles, Aquilani, Hicks and Gilett and King Kenny who came and left. Andy Carroll, Luis Suarez, Enrique, Henderson and more have arrived. Chelsea finally wins the Champions League and we've once again fell out of the top four in that two seasons.

Anyways, back to topic, in the previous topic I linked, these were the last 2 paragraphs I wrote.

And at the moment, I've been proven right.

We still play dire football, we can't find our own players and we just look so disorganised as a unit and we don't even seem to be playing football.

Last season, I kept telling my friends that we were playing decent football for most of the season and that our lack of goals/clinical finishing were the problem. It still is but in all honesty, putting aside our "blips", our performances were below-par last season, again.

I know what some are thinking - "We've just got a new manager who brought it new players and one who has new ideas, they need time to gel". But wait, Steve Clarke (YES, our very own first team coach who left 2 months ago) gets a 3-0 win against his former club. Michael Laudrup, Swansea's new manager wins 5-0 away from home. And these are two clubs supposedly inferior to us.

Reading even took a 2-1 lead against Chelsea until they were hardly done by some poor keeping and a controversial goal by Torres that put Chelsea 3-2 up. Newcastle beat Spurs last weekend. The reality of football is, anyone can actually beat anyone but whenever I watch us play, we just don't look like a football team. I don't believe Borini or Allen are inferior to the players the other clubs in the bottom half have either so while we've not exactly signed world beaters, I don't think we've signed terrible players.

I personally don't believe in that bullshit that "players need to gel" because I, for one, believe good players will adapt quickly to their teammates' way of playing. I play alot of football and granted I'm no professional but whenever I play with someone new who is good, it feels as though we've played together for a long time. Also, I don't believe that it is easy to just tell a group of players to play a certain way.

I know it's just one game of the season and we should not hit the panic button (as Stevie said) but like I stated above, why do other teams turn up and still look pretty good for a first game of the season, with a new manager and with new players. I'm just very concerned to why this has been happening to us and it's been going on for far too long.

So what is going on with the club?

No way in the world would the west brom game have finished 3-0 if it had a decent Ref.

full credit to west brom they had home advantage but we could of buried them if we had a striker, or suarez took his easy chances.

Swansea have a philosophy that evolved from Martinez to Rodgers.. so we are just seeing an inform team from last season against an out of form team lacking players in central midfield. they owe some of that 5-0 as credit to Rodgers in my opinion. we will see how well they last as Laudrup's philosophy takes shape.

i'm not gonna knee jerk after one game where we had dodgy decisions. lets see what happens sunday against the best team in the premiership

Hey guys, I know I've not posted for awhile now.....

I thought your trip to old toilet had finally turned you to the dark side.

Hey guys,


So what is going on?

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I thought your trip to old toilet had finally turned you back to the dark side.

Fixed.

Some patience required here methinks. 

Not happy with how the team played last time, however we can do much better. We have a solid team defensively. All we need is our wingers to click so that suarez can concentrate on scoring rather than putting all his energy into creating chances for himself.

This thread lined up nicely for the game this evening.

Transition.

That's it.

I don't believe anyone knows what is really going on (not even Brendan) just yet, and probably not for another few games to come.

Once the transfer window is closed and we know just what our options are we will be a little closer and once we have played a few more games we can assess how the season is likely to go.

Until then I think it is just a case of "suck it and see" and hope for the best.

I still believe we need a top striker, still believe that tika taki is not an answer in and of itself, and that we need CL football sooner rather than later, but much too early to moan and groan overmuch about performances...... I'll save that for later too    

There's too many of you crying

You see, war is not the answer

Oh, you know we've got to find a way
To bring some understanding here today

We are going down

We are going down

Not Today Motherfucker!

The point is new manager some new players supposedly different tactics....same as last year lots of possesion no end result and couldn't hit a barn door from 5 paces.

The thing is it took Swansea several years of management under Roberto Martinez, Paolo Souza and later Brendan Rodgers to get them playing as a well oiled ball retainig football side and for the style of football to pay dividends.

At the end of the day it boils down to how patient we want to be. Do we want to keep sacking managers every season because their first season is a failure? Or, do we want to back them even after a poor first season in the hope their vision for the side will come good in the end?

We've sacked 3 managers in 3 years now and yet we have finished 7th 7th and 8th. Maybe if we ended up finishing 12th 7th and 3rd in the next 3 years under Brendan that would be more beneficial.

Well we cant sack Rodgers this season even if we enter a relegation fight otherwise we  are in a roundabout

Ask me if we ever get relegated

chill bro

No way in the world would the west brom game have finished 3-0 if it had a decent Ref.

full credit to west brom they had home advantage but we could of buried them if we had a striker, or suarez took his easy chances.

i'm not gonna knee jerk after one game where we had dodgy decisions. lets see what happens sunday against the best team in the premiership

Go a goal down on Sunday and it could be another long afternoon.

Saying we played "well" last week, is part of the problem we have here. We didn't play well, and could have been looking at another QPR scoreline, if they took some of the gift chances we offered them. The decisions given were correct, but instead of fighting back, we just threw in the towel. There will be plenty of more severe tests thrown at us than last week, and we have to learn how to deal with them.

Heard Brendan on the radio before and he was talking about the WBA game and said after the sending off we chased the game and lost our train of thought and shape, he went on to say that that will not be happening in a couple of months.

That's the point with the man, he comes across that he KNOWS where we'll be, where we will be going and how we're going to get there.

One thing he definitely doesn't do is knee-jerk, mostly because he knows we're on the absolute first step of the ladder of success.

Agree with that exiled mate, but the million dollar question is, how many steps on the ladder? 

City were taken all the way to the end by Southahmpton.  United were beaten by Everton.  Arsenal were held by Sunderland.  Spurs were beaten by Newcastle. 

Anything can happen on any given day.  We played well in the 1st half and were unlucky to go in 1-0 down..... Gera's strike was otherworldly!!  I thought the red card was a weak call, and it effectively put us out of the game.  We will have other poor games this season, but I believe that performances and results will improve as the season rolls on and the lads get more accustomed to playing in Rodgers system. 

Even Alex Mcleish mentioned it looks like we have to sell to buy and when you see how thin we are tonight its going to be a long long season.
With this squad we have little chance to get in the top 4.

Our attacking threat is shocking, we have lost Maxi, Bellamy Kuyt who were all good for a goal. Barring Suarez were exactly is our goal threat. I dread this season if that is not addressed in the next 8 days

Whatever we do in defense we are always going to come under pressure just like last season because we do not take our chances.
Hearts are very poor but we are worse tonight and if you look at the side they are all first team squad players and most of them are not good enough.
We will not progress as a club without huge investment in the team.

Whatever we do in defense we are always going to come under pressure just like last season because we do not take our chances.
Hearts are very poor but we are worse tonight and if you look at the side they are all first team squad players and most of them are not good enough.
We will not progress as a club without huge investment in the team.

This season could be worse than last season if we dont splash cash on a striker

Agree with that exiled mate, but the million dollar question is, how many steps on the ladder? 

Depends mate, I live in a council house and it's got 13 steps but if you live in a mansion it'll be a long climb.

After watching the match tonight I think it'll take Brendan two more summer windows of ins and outs to get the squad he thinks will be what he needs to get us back to where we belong.

I for one am more than prepared to wait.

Heard Brendan on the radio before and he was talking about the WBA game and said after the sending off we chased the game and lost our train of thought and shape...

No sh*t 

Depends mate, I live in a council house and it's got 13 steps but if you live in a mansion it'll be a long climb.

After watching the match tonight I think it'll take Brendan two more summer windows of ins and outs to get the squad he thinks will be what he needs to get us back to where we belong.

I for one am more than prepared to wait.

Same here mate, patience is required.

the problem Brendan has and we now have as a club is that you have players brought in by 3 previous manager and he will want to have his own players eventually.
Its also clear that in the last 3 years since Rafa left we havent had a good outcome to the majority of our purchases and again Brendan will have to sort this out in time but not now.

the problem Brendan has and we now have as a club is that you have players brought in by 3 previous manager and he will want to have his own players eventually.
Its also clear that in the last 3 years since Rafa left we havent had a good outcome to the majority of our purchases and again Brendan will have to sort this out in time but not now.

Definitely. That's one of the massive problems with having 4 managers in 3 years.

This season could be worse than last season if we dont splash cash on a striker

The Gaffer thinks different.....Brendan Rodgers believes Liverpool can compete in the Premier League - even without a natural goalscorer.

The Reds have not had a striker who can consistently deliver in front of goal since they sold Fernando Torres to Chelsea in a record £50million deal in January 2011.
Andy Carroll is currently out of favour at Anfield under Rodgers' new system, meaning his two main attacking options are Luis Suarez and Fabio Borini, neither of whom are considered to be purely goalscorers.
But the Liverpool chief insists he is not concerned about a lack of firepower.
"It is no good having a goalscorer scoring 30 goals and no-one else scores - I've always been against that theory," said the Reds boss.
"You are going to need upwards of 70-odd goals to be up around the Champions League [places].
"For me it is a team ethic. Luis Suarez will score goals, Steven Gerrard can score goals, young Fabio Borini will score goals - but we also need goals from our centre-halves.
"If you can get your centre-halves scoring five goals that will always add and then you are looking at your full-backs doing a bit more.
"It is a team responsibility, not just one player. You bring in one striker who can score you goals, which is great, but it's not good for the team if the rest don't score.
"For us it is trying to have players in different areas of the field who can cause a problem.
"But equally important is that at the other end you are not conceding goals.
"I think we have shown, apart from last week (in the 3-0 defeat at West Brom) when the game was broken when we went down to ten men, that we have a good mindset and been strong this year."

Read more at http://www.talksport.co.uk/sports-news/football/premier-league/120824/liverpool-dont-need-goalscorer-claims-rodgers-179414#hVj1TcmeppqI5bIQ.99

luis scored 11 league goals last season so there a lot of "ifs" in his statement . Time will tell but so far even in pre season we havent scored many and last night was an own goal that Borini should have got to so its a big worry for lots of people.

luis scored 11 league goals last season so there a lot of "ifs" in his statement . Time will tell but so far even in pre season we havent scored many and last night was an own goal that Borini should have got to so its a big worry for lots of people.

All the Dempsey talk i thought he would of being brought,Dont think he will sell Carroll for a cut price,So i think he will stick with Carroll Suarez and Boroni,and he will probably bring 1-2 kids in for the cup games,With the new winger lad Assaidi think he will have him on the left and Downing on the right with Suarez playing behind Borini or Carroll ??

I know where you are coming from Adryan, We seem to attack and when we get to the opposition box, it is crowded with defenders and midfielders dropping back. When we are under attack, the opposition seem to out number us around our own box and it's a desperate scrabble to get the ball away. We do play good football at times, but it never seems to be as swifty  penetrating as our opponents. All our good work is done in our own half or the middle of the park, we attack too slowly with to many sideways passes and always seem to allow the opposition to get behind the ball. We don't seem to play smooth flowing gracefull footy at pace, it often seems very stacato and even disjointed. I often think the opposition look more threatening in possesion, even when it's the so say lesser teams. Can't think why with some of the individuals we have got but I've been uncomfortable and worried about it for some time. May be it's just me panicking when we give the ball away, but I think it's more than that, we certainly lack consistancy thats for sure.

Definitely. That's one of the massive problems with having 4 managers in 3 years.

the problem Brendan has and we now have as a club is that you have players brought in by 3 previous manager and he will want to have his own players eventually.
Its also clear that in the last 3 years since Rafa left we havent had a good outcome to the majority of our purchases and again Brendan will have to sort this out in time but not now.

You could also add the last three years of Rafa's tenure to the list as well.

What is Going on??

Really? We're preparing for our SECOND league game of the season for fucks sake.

Head. Wobble.

For me Adryan since alonso left the club we have shown that we are only willing to go so far to be the best. Amongst the backdrop of so much money coming into the game other clubs started to believe and dream whilst we had to be realistic. Rafa was really on to something special so to see that bubble burst has caused untold psychological damage. Now with a top 6 or 8 teams even more teams believe they deserve to be on top.

It's a very tough job for Brendan to turn that feeling around on such a limited budget but I think fan support will play a big part and hopefully over the next few years we can rebuild ourselves