Would a 5th place finish be enough progress next season?

Manchester United
Manchester City
Chelsea
Everton

All finished above us.
All will have new managers in place next season.

They won't all get the replacement right.
Next season could be very interesting.

I was once told by a wise man, well a welsh, socialist, chain smoking, whiskey drinking english teacher, that believing in something that isn't true or possible is classified as delusional.

I did not know that Ferguson was Welsh.

I did not know that Ferguson was Welsh.

Below the belt that Billy and in what way is that a Fergie quote?  And why take the quote out of its context in the first place?

Wanting to believe in something that isn't possible or true is called a religion.

LFC is my religion.

So you don't believe in LFC or the possibilities it exist? Am I reading you correctly?

So you don't believe in LFC or the possibilities it exist? Am I reading you correctly?

No, but not surprised at all Shabs.

All depends on your resources though, aim for the sky and all you've got is a set of stepladders, jump off that and you'll fall flat on your face.

So at the start of next season Rodgers pre-season prep talk should be him telling the squad that they aren't good enough to challenge for anything better than fifth?

Talk about trying to instill belief and a winning mentality.

So aswell as drumming into the support that we are mediocre the same should be drummed into the players?

Na, I'd be telling them how good they are and that they are capable of achieving anything and to aim for the top. I'd also be telling them that four of the clubs that finished higher than us all have new managers and are there for the taking. If/when we don't reach the top and finish 5th after a monumental effort to get higher than that I'd be pleased that we gave it a good shot but I wouldn't be happy with it and neither should you, the manager or the players.

I'd class a gutsy fight for going higher than 5th but actually finishing there as progress yes, but I'd expect the manager to be having the players believe and aim for better than that.

Below the belt that Billy and in what way is that a Fergie quote?  And why take the quote out of its context in the first place?

Rod it was only a joke,I am sorry if you did not see it that way.

So at the start of next season Rodgers pre-season prep talk should be him telling the squad that they aren't good enough to challenge for anything better than fifth?

Talk about trying to instill belief and a winning mentality.

So aswell as drumming into the support that we are mediocre the same should be drummed into the players?

Na, I'd be telling them how good they are and that they are capable of achieving anything and to aim for the top. I'd also be telling them that four of the clubs that finished higher than us all have new managers and are there for the taking. If/when we don't reach the top and finish 5th after a monumental effort to get higher than that I'd be pleased that we gave it a good shot but I wouldn't be happy with it and neither should you, the manager or the players.

I'd class a gutsy fight for going higher than 5th but actually finishing there as progress yes, but I'd expect the manager to be having the players believe and aim for better than that.

Again no, just because I don't believe they are good enough yet to maintain a challenge doesn't mean I wouldn't get them to try or get behind them every game.  And I don't think it's wrong to think this group squad isn't capable yet, or maybe some haven't watched us this season.  I've already stated we can beat every team in this league, so of course I would expect that every game, stupid to infer or think otherwise, but I think it's bordering on delusional to think we'll win the league next season.  Wanting to is an entirely different matter, but one that a lot seem to have trouble understanding, juding by some of the replies I've been getting.

Actually yes, but would i be happy with that? No.

Again no, just because I don't believe they are good enough yet to maintain a challenge doesn't mean I wouldn't get them to try or get behind them every game.

Then I don't get why you countered the Shankly quote? Aiming for as high as possible in every game kind of constitutes you aiming for the top in a league campaign.

Not being argumantative Rodders lad, it just seemed a little contradictory.

Can someone come in a grab this club by the scruff of the neck and give its good F***ing shake and change the Mentality of those inside & out.

Words filter down from the top and when you hear talk of aiming for 5th it will set the mind of some and come end of season it will be job well done with a pat on the back for hitting club target of 5th.

Bollocks,time for a change in mentality.

I want owners, manager & players shouting enough is enough, time to put us back on top.

Then I don't get why you countered the Shankly quote? Aiming for as high as possible in every game kind of constitutes you aiming for the top in a league campaign.

Not being argumantative Rodders lad, it just seemed a little contradictory.

Because I don't believe the Sky is just one game, it's the whole season, winning the league, something I don't think we have the players for yet. 

What happened with Ooredoo from Qatar??!! That died down a bit major investment from them would be immense! Dont mean millions and millions like City!

"It is a dual interest, Liverpool needs the money to compete with the European heavyweights and we want to expand our brand to reach new markets via football."

Because I don't believe the Sky is just one game, it's the whole season, winning the league, something I don't think we have the players for yet. 

Neither does anybody but we can't be going out and aiming for 5th, we have to aim higher than that and if we don't get there we F***ing tried our best and finished fifth, fourth, third, whatever but at least we went for the best we could. If we went for it and and only managed fifth it would be progress.  A belief that we are better than 5th needs to be drummed into the players though.

Neither does anybody but we can't be going out and aiming for 5th, we have to aim higher than that and if we don't get there we F***ing tried our best and finished fifth, fourth, third, whatever but at least we went for the best we could. If we went for it and and only managed fifth it would be progress.  A belief that we are better than 5th needs to be drummed into the players though.

I've never said aim for 5th, I've said we should try and win every game, I just don't think it'll happen.

“Aim for the sky and you'll reach the ceiling. Aim for the ceiling and you'll stay on the floor.”

Bill Shankly.

Was about to type those very words Dave.

We'll land in the top 3 next season so 5th is not even a concern to me. But no, 5th would not be good enough.

Below the belt that Billy and in what way is that a Fergie quote?  And why take the quote out of its context in the first place?

Overreaction there mate, I didn't interpret that as being a slight to you in any way nor would I suspect anyone else.
It was a throwaway remark by Billy and not intended to offend.
You've been here long enough to know that Billy doesn't do that stuff anyway Stuart.

Manchester United
Manchester City
Chelsea
Everton

All finished above us.
All will have new managers in place next season.

They won't all get the replacement right.
Next season could be very interesting.

I agree that next season should be very very interesting. But just based on sheer talent in the squads I bolded, they've got to be the favorites for top 3 regardless of who they appoint. Because even if they f**k up with their new managers (like hopefully United has done with Moyes!), that still requires us to be consistently getting results -- something we've struggled with for many years now.

I agree that next season should be very very interesting. But just based on sheer talent in the squads I bolded, they've got to be the favorites for top 3 regardless of who they appoint. Because even if they f**k up with their new managers (like hopefully United has done with Moyes!), that still requires us to be consistently getting results -- something we've struggled with for many years now.

All it needs is a bad start for the seeds of doubt to take hold.

4th and in the mix by Christmas .
There may we stay ......

All depends on your resources though, aim for the sky and all you've got is a set of stepladders, jump off that and you'll fall flat on your face.

Disagree on this Rodders as there is nothing wrong in aiming high even if we don't have the resources of some other clubs.

I'd rather the boss set a target of winning the league and miss it by a few places than setting a target of top four and then missing it by a few places.

Setting players ambitious targets and instilling belief that it is possible is good management.

Disagree on this Rodders as there is nothing wrong in aiming high even if we don't have the resources of some other clubs.

I'd rather the boss set a target of winning the league and miss it by a few places than setting a target of top four and then missing it by a few places.

Setting players ambitious targets and instilling belief that it is possible is good management.

Don't think setting targets is important, you should be going out with the intention of winning every match anyway, give100% every game and we'll finish where we finish. Take it one game at a time.