Several things wrong at our club and it starts at the top.

Agger £120k a week - Lovren £65k a week

Same rules apply 55k x 52 =£2.86m x 4 =11.44m

So if we add the £19.5 to the £11.44 = £30.94m or basically your Dejan Lovren £20m and Simon Mignolet £9m with their wages already accounted for.

#Moneyball.

Think about that for second, we've replaced two players with two players of lesser quality and their wages for their entire contract and transfer fee's have been made up by what we've saved on getting Reina and Agger off the wage bill, Mignolet and Lovren effectively owe us nothing.

There isn't the fault of the owners that Rodgers is playing players out of position and makes strange substitutions, remember, he was sacked previously by 2 lower league teams, that says alot, read what Reading fans were saying about his last weeks at the club. Read what Swansea fans are saying about who was the better manager for them between Rodgers, Laudrup and Monk.

Their biggest fault is not sacking Rodgers way earlier.

There isn't the fault of the owners that Rodgers is playing players out of position and makes strange substitutions, remember, he was sacked previously by 2 lower league teams, that says alot, read what Reading fans were saying about his last weeks at the club. Read what Swansea fans are saying about who was the better manager for them between Rodgers, Laudrup and Monk.

Their biggest fault is not sacking Rodgers way earlier.

George you are missing the point of the thread, its not to talk about tactics.

Its to talk about the failings of the transfer strategy, wage restrictions, transfer committee and the lack of genuine quality players at the club.

If you want to discuss Rodgers bizzare Substitutions/tactics, do it in his thread.

There are too many people high up at the club who have no idea about football. I don't think Ian Ayre could speak to you about his team of th season or how things are looking in La Liga compared to last year. The average Joe can hold a conversation about that but the fact the people running our club don't have a scooby about the game we play is very concerning.

Americans run the club. What were you expecting? Just look at other league clubs run by them. How many of them are a success?

I never wanted to leave Anfield, and very happy that we will stay at Anfield. However, they have "Sacked Kenny Dalglish" on their cv. They have been toast ever since in my eyes. And after so many years of wonderful service, Kenny Dalglish should not be fired at this club for any reason.

Yes but they were not the super stars that they became and hence were in our price range, that is the sort of player we have difficult targetting at the moment just below the global established super star status.

Could have and should have had Sanchez last year.  Didn't work hard enough on the deal and didn't offer enough money.  Ended up with a late and expensive punt on Balotelli who will ultimately cost us far more per goal than Sanchez would have done by a factor of about 10.

And after so many years of wonderful service, Kenny Dalglish should not be fired at this club for any reason.

He certainly shouldn't have been sacked on the basis of getting to cup finals and winning silverware.  That was the fundamental problem with that decision for me.

@ ppl acting like Reina, agger, suarez and torres were house hold names before they came to us LOLOL

@ ppl acting like Reina, agger, suarez and torres were house hold names before they came to us LOLOL

@ People thinking that already established internationals weren't household names in their respective countries/leagues as they hadn't reached as far as a little Island called the UK.

Funny thing is I was wanting us to sign Torres two full seasons before we actually did, so I obviously knew his name and what he was about.

Just for the record before we signed Torres he was a Spanish International for 3 years and Atletico captain at just 19 year old and scored 7 in 11 for Spain in qualifying for Euro 2006.

@ People thinking that already established internationals weren't household names in their respective countries/leagues as they hadn't reached as far as a little Island called the UK.

Funny thing is I was wanting us to sign Torres two full seasons before we actually did, so I obviously knew his name and what he was about.

Just for the record before we signed Torres he was a Spanish International for 3 years and Atletico captain at just 19 year old and scored 7 in 11 for Spain in qualifying for Euro 2006.

Ferguson also said he tried a few times to sign him

Ferguson also said he tried a few times to sign him

So did Abramovic for Chelsea in 2005 but Atletico president Enrique Cerezo said that they had "no chance" of signing him

Here's a bit of perspective for you, in 2006 when we signed Agger who was already a Danish International and voted Danish talent of the year 3 or 4 years off the bounce, can't remember excatly which but one of the two, he was 22 years old and on £52k a week, 6 years ago in 2009 at 25 year old he signed a contract extension to the tune of £80k a week, in 2012 at 28 year old he signed another contract extension £120k a week.

Dejan Lovren in comparisons at 26 year old in 2015 is on £65k a week.

this isnt how life works though is it? people develop and have successes at different times. You cant compare everyone age for age? Darren Caskey was england U18 captain and already a 1st team player in a squad with relative unknows sol campbell and robbie fowler.

Also our perceived strategy isnt as rigid as we are claiming, because well for example DEJAN LOVREN.!

According to 'our strategy' we shouldnt have bought him.

@ People thinking that already established internationals weren't household names in their respective countries/leagues as they hadn't reached as far as a little Island called the UK.

Funny thing is I was wanting us to sign Torres two full seasons before we actually did, so I obviously knew his name and what he was about.

Just for the record before we signed Torres he was a Spanish International for 3 years and Atletico captain at just 19 year old and scored 7 in 11 for Spain in qualifying for Euro 2006.

Balotelli was an Italian international who was their player of the tournament in euro 2012 banging two goals past Neuer to get them to the final. He had all the physical attributes for the English game and proved decisive in winning the Premiership for City yet he completely flopped where Torres soared.

If we could predict who would succeed before signing them we would walk the league. That is the question we should be concentrating on.

According to 'our strategy' we shouldnt have bought him.

What do you mean for our strategy, we shouldn't have bought him ?, he was perfect for our strategy...

Realistically we got him for £9m when the account of the money saved on Agger's wages were took into effect.

Balotelli was an Italian international who was their player of the tournament in euro 2012 banging two goals past Neuer to get them to the final. He had all the physical attributes for the English game and proved decisive in winning the Premiership for City yet he completely flopped where Torres soared.

If we could predict who would succeed before signing them we would walk the league. That is the question we should be concentrating on.

Balotelli was the worst example you could have put up, even the manager called him a 'Gamble' because as we all know its not that Balotelli isn't talented, he just doesn't make the best of his talent.

Nah, you're speaking with the benefit of hindsight.

You could argue Suarez never made the most of his talent at the time we signed him because he was always getting suspended.

At the time we signed Mario his career could have gone either way - yes there were frustrating aspects to his game but there were moments of utter brilliance too. My point is that we need to get better at predicting which way he would go before we sign him rather than being wise after the event.

Nah, you're speaking with the benefit of hindsight.

You could argue Suarez never made the most of his talent at the time we signed him because he was always getting suspended.

Nope I'm speaking on Balotelli's antics and what the manager said when we signed him.

Comparing Balotelli to a Torres at the time of their moves is like Chalk and Cheese, Torres was a model professional with a maturity beyond his years, Balotelli liked setting fireworks off in his own house and nearly burning it to the ground, Balotelli had public spats with his manager etc etc.

Balotelli was always a gamble, one that could have really paid off but it had just as much a chance of going the way it has.

Comparing Balotelli to a Torres at the time of their moves is like Chalk and Cheese, Torres was a model professional with a maturity beyond his years, Balotelli liked setting fireworks off in his own house and nearly burning it to the ground, Balotelli had public spats with his manager etc etc.

I'm convinced you don't bother reading replies.

That's why I compared him to Suarez not Torres - was he a "model professional" coming to us suspended for his biting ban?

Balotelli was always a gamble, one that could have really paid off but it had just as much a chance of going the way it has.

Yeh -exactly like I said in my reply.

We need to find a way of predicting which transfers will be successes.

We need to find a way of predicting which transfers will be successes

That much is true, we also need to stop being so rigid in our transfer budget and wage structure as that makes it harder to predict which transfers will be a success as it narrows the pool of available talent.

I'm convinced you don't bother reading replies.

I've got one eye on fantastic 4.

I've got one eye on fantastic 4.

Jessica Alba would be a distraction for any one!

I've got one eye on fantastic 4.

Keep it tight at the back 

What do you mean for our strategy, we shouldn't have bought him ?, he was perfect for our strategy...

Realistically we got him for £9m when the account of the money saved on Agger's wages were took into effect.

How old was he? He was a little too old i think.

Plus , lets be honest. HE WAS ONE OF THE BEST DEFENDERS IN THE LEAGUE THAT SEASON. Nobody was complaining when we signed him from Southampton. Especially after that friendly against Dortmund were he looked like a beast. How much of his, Benteke, Balotelli, Moreno, etc etc, inept performances come down to poor coaching and poor tactics. YOU CANT TALK ABOUT THE STATE OF THE CLUB AND AVOID TALKING ABOUT WHATS HAPPENING ON THE PITCH.

I think your thread is a little off and you're twisting your arguments a little.

Discussing the merits and negatives of the planned 'strategy' is a valid discussion.

But when you suggest the strategy is the problem for the results on the pitch (but we can't talk about the manager or the tactics) is where you are going down a weird path where its impossible to not relate the two.

But when you suggest the strategy is the problem for the results on the pitch (but we can't talk about the manager or the tactics) is where you are going down a weird path where its impossible to not relate the two.

Your missing the whole point of the thread.

Rodgers is just one part of the problem, he's not the only problem.

Agger in 2009, 6 years ago was on more money than Lovren is today, by the time he left he was on almost double what Lovren is.

The rise in TV money, the rise in commercial sponsors etc etc and we're being told we can't afford the players we could afford 6/2 years ago.

Your missing the whole point of the thread.

Rodgers is just one part of the problem, he's not the only problem.

Agger in 2009, 6 years ago was on more money than Lovren is today, by the time he left he was on almost double what Lovren is.

The rise in TV money, the rise in commercial sponsors etc etc and we're being told we can't afford the players we could afford 6/2 years ago.

Our wage bill has gone up though, the level it was at, in 2009, was unsustainable under the income we had, at the time.  I still maintain, whilst giving Rodgers a good wedge this summer, we've saved a substantial chest for January, for Rodgers to bolster or a new manager to tinker.