Jürgen Klopp - Liverpool FC Manager

https://twitter.com/livecholfc/status/735085857162571777

So can't be arsed reading the last 13 pages of this thread since the the last time I looked at it. Can anyone give me a summary of what's been happening in here?

How Leicester won the league, Villa going down, should we get a new Steven Gerrard, Tony Evans's negative outlook on Liverpool, continued post match dissection on the final.

You know - all the kind of things that should go in a more relevant thread but people are incapable of pressing 'New Topic'.

How Leicester won the league, Villa going down, should we get a new Steven Gerrard, Tony Evans's negative outlook on Liverpool, continued post match dissection on the final.

You know - all the kind of things that should go in a more relevant thread but people are incapable of pressing 'New Topic'.

Cheers Boss, saved my eyes...for that I am forever greatful.

How Leicester won the league, Villa going down, should we get a new Steven Gerrard, Tony Evans's negative outlook on Liverpool, continued post match dissection on the final.

You know - all the kind of things that should go in a more relevant thread but people are incapable of pressing 'New Topic'.

Sorry J.D. I thought it was a negative outlook on Jürgen.

We also established that Jürgen was actually here for a transfer window, and that if he'd wanted to buy someone he probably could've. That took about four days.

Then we moved onto "was he right not to buy someone?" (assuming of course that he could have if he'd wanted to).

That lasted for a day or so, but then the sh!t really hit the fan when we got onto how hard a task he's got in order to get us to challenge for the league. We compared and contrasted how hard other managers had it back when they were in charge, and all fell out with each other.

It's been a very productive week and not a waste of time at all!

How Leicester won the league, Villa going down, should we get a new Steven Gerrard, Tony Evans's negative outlook on Liverpool, continued post match dissection on the final.

LFC Reds Behaviour

You know - all the kind of things that should go in a more relevant thread but people are incapable of pressing 'New Topic'.

Rawk Behaviour

It's a f***in disgrace is what it is, how can anyone scrutinise a Manager who's only been here 7 months, with TPM'S buys who were heading no f***in where,
Klopp has galvanised Brendan's non performers into a battling never say die half decent side, irrespective of the capitulation in Basle,  irrespective of a coin toss at Wembley and disappointed 8th placed finish,

What The F**k is expected after 7 months of learning about players, what their individual skill levels are, how to integrate your philosophy and ideas, having to cope with a shed load of injuries, in amongst a 4 tier assault for silverware, in a unbelievable hectic schedule, then add very little or no time to train with said under achievers, and not forgetting having to settle himself his family into a foreign land etc etc,

Oh and did I mention without a pre-season,

Ffs give the bloke a break!!!

YNWA

We also established that Jürgen was actually here for a transfer window, and that if he'd wanted to buy someone he probably could've. That took about four days.

I checked, and this wasn't one of those leap years were January was skipped ... interesting also how the Klopp thread pretty much became the SG fan page for a day or two aswell, that was a nice diversion.

There aren't really any around though mate are there? Daft c**** down here tell me that Lampard was better (he wasn't obviously but he was a very good player) and at least he was cut from a similar cloth. These days though who is there that scores heavily from midfield? Not only would they need to score and assist heavily, they'd have to be capable of hitting it from distance to such effect that it causes you to formulate plans to counter him. Gerrard in his pomp dictated to teams that they simply had to come out and meet him when he got the ball 30 yards out otherwise he'd strike at goal. This alone opened the door for many an assist or goal for someone else.

Football goes in trends, in fashion waves. It always has and always will. Modern midfielders sit in and hold, but that's because IMHO there aren't any around that can do what Gerrard could. If Gerrard were available today, he would be coveted by every single club in Europe, not unlike when he was around before infact. For that reason alone, there s no way on earth Jürgen could buy him, simply because we would've outbid to a factor of three on both fee and wages.

Would he want him though? Of course he would.

EDIT: I've thought of one. When he's not injured Aaron Ramsey tries to do a Gerrard and he's bloody good at it. Probably about 20% as good as the original which isn't a bad effort. Yaya Toure of four seasons ago probably got as high as 50% of Gerrard in his pomp. Can't think of any others right now.

Personally I think the club dropped a real bollock when Dele Ali was driven into Melwood and handed to us on a plate... Only for the club to offer him a youth standard wage (£4000 a week!)

The lad has got everything. Passing, shooting and agression.

One that got away on the advice of the transfer comitee, and one that the previous manager was left shaking his head at.

Klopp i'm sure would get his game going even further.

We live and maybe one day learn 

Tony Evans

It might be time to revive "Being Liverpool." The much-derided behind-the-scenes-at-Anfield television series was conceived and created four years ago, the last time Liverpool reached two cup finals. It failed because the central character, Brendan Rodgers, came across as a smug spouter of clichés and management-speak. His sidekick, the risible managing director Ian Ayre, posed on a motorbike. It was the wrong vehicle: This was car-crash TV.

There is a genuine superstar at Anfield now. Jürgen Klopp has real star appeal. He is watchable, charismatic and the cameras love him.

Klopp dazzles. He is fun. The German is animated on the sidelines, quick with a quip and has a winning smile. A winning team would add to his lustre.

In 2012, Kenny Dalglish won one of his finals, delivering the League Cup and a Europa League place to Anfield, but only managed an eighth-place finish. He was summoned to Boston by Fenway Sports Group, the owners, for a post-mortem after the season and sacked. There is more chance of a "Being Liverpool" revival than Klopp being treated in a similar manner.

Yet there is a case for holding an inquest into Liverpool's performance since Klopp took over from Rodgers in October. Klopp, 48, has had a huge emotional impact on the mood of the club but the feel-good factor has not been reflected on the pitch. Liverpool finished the season with the same number of points as the previous campaign and in the same position: eighth.

Klopp is clearly an upgrade on Rodgers but that has barely shown in results. He had 31 Premier League matches to organize and inspire the team. Before Klopp, the team were averaging 1.5 points per game. After the German's arrival that figure rose to 1.6.

It is true the squad that Klopp inherited is substandard but top-class managers find ways of covering weaknesses and promoting strengths even where they lack quality in the squad. Leicester City are a prime example of how a team can become greater than the sum of their parts. Liverpool rarely looked like that.

No one should judge Klopp until he is able to recruit the sort of players he can trust but it is a surprise that he was unable to adapt the players bequeathed to him into a more cohesive unit. After all, when he arrived in October Klopp was optimistic enough about their prospects to suggest to FSG that the team could compete for all four trophies available to Liverpool. The new manager soon found out that any hope of a title challenge was illusionary.

If Klopp is building a team to play in his trademark gegenpressing style, that is fine. Yet at some point opposition managers will work out a way to nullify his tactics. There have been few signs of pragmatism and flexibility from the manager in his first eight months in charge.

Klopp's disciples -- and the deification of the man is so strong that it justifies the use of the word -- point to the two cup runs this year as proof of forward motion. That overlooks that Liverpool reached two semifinals in Rodgers's final season and were somewhat unlucky to lose to Chelsea in a two-legged League Cup tie.

The other semifinal, in the FA Cup against Aston Villa, was one of the most shambolic performances in recent Liverpool history. It was only slightly worse than the second half of the 3-1 defeat by Sevilla in Basel last week. While Rodgers stood watching haplessly and hopelessly at Wembley, his successor reacted to the Spanish side's goals and dominance by trying to rouse the crowd. Any post-season inquest should be focused on this moment and the owners should be asking why their manager was not concentrating on rousing his team. Connecting with supporters is one thing, but Klopp's attention should have been on the pitch. He looked like a man devoid of ideas.

The suspicion is that FSG are so in thrall to their manager that few tough questions will be asked this summer. That can never be good for the man in the dugout. Arsene Wenger's total control over Arsenal has yielded a splendid cash flow at the Emirates but only two FA Cups in the past 11 years. It took Sir Alex Ferguson 15 years and unparalleled success at Old Trafford to get anywhere near the hero-worship that the Liverpool manager has been granted like a birthright.

Klopp is a brilliant acquisition for Liverpool. He was the best manager available to the club. He needs time to get things right and has many of the hallmarks of someone who can join Anfield's pantheon of greats. It may take the entire length of his three-year contract to turn things around.

Yet the absence of proper analysis of his first part-season is worrying. If they were making "Being Liverpool" now they would probably call it "Being Klopp". The deification of the manager shows how far standards at Anfield have fallen -- and the huge job he has ahead of him.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/liverpool/364/blog/post/2878333/Jürgen-klopp-deserves-criticism-for-liverpools-mediocre-season

Hatchet job or fair comment?

There are two ways of looking at that second half against Seville. Evans states that Jürgen was devoid of ideas, and the main criticism I've read is that he did nothing in between the equaliser and the second goal.

But the flip side to that argument is that if he had reacted he would have been seen to panic. There have been countless games the last few years where Liverpool's players game management has been poor. There were suggestions under Klopp of more resilience when on the back foot however, and it's possible Jürgen thought it was a phase in the game that the team could ride out.

Neil Atkinson said his positivity and optimistic outlook perhaps makes him leave the players to their own devices in such a situation, and that he has full belief in his players to take a hold of the game again. At worst, that's naive under this team that really isn't his but I also think it's something he is used to with his teams in Germany. Only by building the team in his image and character (and they do say a football team resembles the personality of the manager) will Liverpool be able to ride phases out such as the moment between Seville's first and second goal.

I have full confidence in his ability to build the team in such a way.

Grujic, Matip and Karius all signed for less than £10mill. A year ago we'd have probably spent 60mill+ on 3 players.

Grujic, Matip and Karius all signed for less than £10mill. A year ago we'd have probably spent 60mill+ on 3 players.

Hate to say it, but them not being from the EPL may have something to do with that.

Tony Evans

It might be time to revive "Being Liverpool." The much-derided behind-the-scenes-at-Anfield television series was conceived and created four years ago, the last time Liverpool reached two cup finals. It failed because the central character, Brendan Rodgers, came across as a smug spouter of clichés and management-speak. His sidekick, the risible managing director Ian Ayre, posed on a motorbike. It was the wrong vehicle: This was car-crash TV.

There is a genuine superstar at Anfield now. Jürgen Klopp has real star appeal. He is watchable, charismatic and the cameras love him.

Klopp dazzles. He is fun. The German is animated on the sidelines, quick with a quip and has a winning smile. A winning team would add to his lustre.

In 2012, Kenny Dalglish won one of his finals, delivering the League Cup and a Europa League place to Anfield, but only managed an eighth-place finish. He was summoned to Boston by Fenway Sports Group, the owners, for a post-mortem after the season and sacked. There is more chance of a "Being Liverpool" revival than Klopp being treated in a similar manner.

Yet there is a case for holding an inquest into Liverpool's performance since Klopp took over from Rodgers in October. Klopp, 48, has had a huge emotional impact on the mood of the club but the feel-good factor has not been reflected on the pitch. Liverpool finished the season with the same number of points as the previous campaign and in the same position: eighth.

Klopp is clearly an upgrade on Rodgers but that has barely shown in results. He had 31 Premier League matches to organize and inspire the team. Before Klopp, the team were averaging 1.5 points per game. After the German's arrival that figure rose to 1.6.

It is true the squad that Klopp inherited is substandard but top-class managers find ways of covering weaknesses and promoting strengths even where they lack quality in the squad. Leicester City are a prime example of how a team can become greater than the sum of their parts. Liverpool rarely looked like that.

No one should judge Klopp until he is able to recruit the sort of players he can trust but it is a surprise that he was unable to adapt the players bequeathed to him into a more cohesive unit. After all, when he arrived in October Klopp was optimistic enough about their prospects to suggest to FSG that the team could compete for all four trophies available to Liverpool. The new manager soon found out that any hope of a title challenge was illusionary.

If Klopp is building a team to play in his trademark gegenpressing style, that is fine. Yet at some point opposition managers will work out a way to nullify his tactics. There have been few signs of pragmatism and flexibility from the manager in his first eight months in charge.

Klopp's disciples -- and the deification of the man is so strong that it justifies the use of the word -- point to the two cup runs this year as proof of forward motion. That overlooks that Liverpool reached two semifinals in Rodgers's final season and were somewhat unlucky to lose to Chelsea in a two-legged League Cup tie.

The other semifinal, in the FA Cup against Aston Villa, was one of the most shambolic performances in recent Liverpool history. It was only slightly worse than the second half of the 3-1 defeat by Sevilla in Basel last week. While Rodgers stood watching haplessly and hopelessly at Wembley, his successor reacted to the Spanish side's goals and dominance by trying to rouse the crowd. Any post-season inquest should be focused on this moment and the owners should be asking why their manager was not concentrating on rousing his team. Connecting with supporters is one thing, but Klopp's attention should have been on the pitch. He looked like a man devoid of ideas.

The suspicion is that FSG are so in thrall to their manager that few tough questions will be asked this summer. That can never be good for the man in the dugout. Arsene Wenger's total control over Arsenal has yielded a splendid cash flow at the Emirates but only two FA Cups in the past 11 years. It took Sir Alex Ferguson 15 years and unparalleled success at Old Trafford to get anywhere near the hero-worship that the Liverpool manager has been granted like a birthright.

Klopp is a brilliant acquisition for Liverpool. He was the best manager available to the club. He needs time to get things right and has many of the hallmarks of someone who can join Anfield's pantheon of greats. It may take the entire length of his three-year contract to turn things around.

Yet the absence of proper analysis of his first part-season is worrying. If they were making "Being Liverpool" now they would probably call it "Being Klopp". The deification of the manager shows how far standards at Anfield have fallen -- and the huge job he has ahead of him.

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/club/liverpool/364/blog/post/2878333/Jürgen-klopp-deserves-criticism-for-liverpools-mediocre-season

Hatchet job or fair comment?

Evans has a history of creating these types of articles that are usually devoid of any context. That he fails to mention the glut of injuries that BOTH Brendan and Jürgen experienced is the sort of knowing oversight you'd expect from a journalist of his type. Like many of Evans' articles, the lack of context or balance is stark. To then bring in the example of Leicester is just a cheap trick that seems to be the new weapon of choice by those who WANT to criticise a team...sort of the new 'Godwin's Law' of football writing. He doesn't mention our visible upturn in form from February onwards that manifested in some really good performances both domestically and on the continent. As Son Of A Gun said - Jürgen's response to Sevilla's equaliser was grounded in a belief that the team he had OUT ON THE PITCH would create the chances that would see them score goal number 2 or 3. The numerous chances that Liverpool created in the first half, particularly after Daniel's goal, showed that this was a team more than capable of scoring. That Jürgen showed faith in the 11 players out there is something he cannot be criticised for. 

I just think it's a sad man who thinks he can judge Jürgen from 6 months of his reign and compare it to that of someone like Brendan who had three years and in all honesty I think Evans is just after a bit of attention ie clickbait because he knows he goes against general opinion within Liverpool circles (perhaps football circles even) and in true sensationalist tabloid journalist style he knows what sort of "opinion" readers will seek out...the opinion that they don't agree with.

Grujic, Matip and Karius all signed for less than £10mill. A year ago we'd have probably spent 60mill+ on 3 players.

Entirely right
The boss is entirely aware in my opinion of what areas need to be drastically improved.
He has spent and signed wisely so far this summer transfer window and I am positive that he is looking at 3 or 4 more
I also love the fact that he didn't rock the ship initially by bringing in a load of players.
He has states previously that he thought the squad we had before he signed was good and he wanted to work with them.
He has done that and also given numerous opportunities to fringe and youth players.
All smart work in my opinion.
He now has a very thorough understanding of his squad, who to develop, who to work with and who to sell on.
Yes we were very inconsistent at times last season and losing two finals with two pretty poor performances is a bitter pill to swallow but he is laying a foundation, creating a a squad that he needs and expects.
It's only been 7 months fellas.
The time to judge him is at the end of next season in my opinion and personally, I haven't felt so optimistic about our future in a very long time.

It's definitely something to consider that we're signing players who aren't expensive, but that in itself isn't anything to get too excited about if they aren't actually any good. Before we get the bunting out, it might be an idea to wait and see how good they are at football, in the Premiership. It'd be great if Jürgen can defeat the big spenders by building a squad for the best part of f*** all, but if it doesn't happen I hope those who are celebrating the fact that he is "different to Rodgers" cut him a bit of slack.

Buying cheap players has never been difficult, it's buying good players which has stumped us over the years.

 

Grujic, Matip and Karius all signed for less than £10mill. A year ago we'd have probably spent 60mill+ on 3 players.

Not quite. The problem was never that a year ago we'd have spent £60 million on three players, the problem was that we'd spend £60 million on the wrong players. Take Benteke, for example. The issue was never that we paid £32.5 million on a single player, the issue was that he was just not suited for us in any way, shape or form. I'd be happy as Larry if we went out and spent £60 million on a single player, so long as that player was one that would improve our first team. Traditionally our signings haven't.

We're in desperate need of big players with big personalities who have experience of big games, specifically of winning things. Doing this on the cheap exponentially increases the risks associated with all transfers. We need to be bold and we need to be prepared to spend big were needed and where appropriate otherwise it'll be another mid-table finish because this lot simply goes missing far too often when it matters.

Not quite. The problem was never that a year ago we'd have spent £60 million on three players, the problem was that we'd spend £60 million on the wrong players. Take Benteke, for example. The issue was never that we paid £32.5 million on a single player, the issue was that he was just not suited for us in any way, shape or form. I'd be happy as Larry if we went out and spent £60 million on a single player, so long as that player was one that would improve our first team. Traditionally our signings haven't.

We're in desperate need of big players with big personalities who have experience of big games, specifically of winning things. Doing this on the cheap exponentially increases the risks associated with all transfers. We need to be bold and we need to be prepared to spend big were needed and where appropriate otherwise it'll be another mid-table finish because this lot simply goes missing far too often when it matters.

Not going to happen IMO....look at the profiles he bought at BvB and look at who we have signed and are linked to (Gotze not withstanding)...Young, talented, coachable and extremely motivated is what he likes not megastars that are motivated by CL/Cash.


Think there will be some disappointed supporters when we don't drop the mega money on a Superstar. The FSG thread will probably go into meltdown for not backing the manager but the managers M.O. , throughout his career he has been doing it this way

i want gotze but needless to say i want whatever klopp wants so much more. if we've never heard of all our signings but they're exactly what klopp wants and needs then who are we to complain? we are just fans on the internet that think we know the game from the outside! ich leibe klopp!!!

Hate to say it, but them not being from the EPL may have something to do with that.

Southampton you mean.

Not quite. The problem was never that a year ago we'd have spent £60 million on three players, the problem was that we'd spend £60 million on the wrong players. Take Benteke, for example. The issue was never that we paid £32.5 million on a single player, the issue was that he was just not suited for us in any way, shape or form. I'd be happy as Larry if we went out and spent £60 million on a single player, so long as that player was one that would improve our first team. Traditionally our signings haven't.

We're in desperate need of big players with big personalities who have experience of big games, specifically of winning things. Doing this on the cheap exponentially increases the risks associated with all transfers. We need to be bold and we need to be prepared to spend big were needed and where appropriate otherwise it'll be another mid-table finish because this lot simply goes missing far too often when it matters.

Wasnt saying anything about whether they were the right players or not mate, just that over the last couple of summers we have spent 60mill or whatever very easily on just a few players, whether they are the right players or the wrong players.

Hate to say it, but them not being from the EPL may have something to do with that.

Also the fact Matip was out of contract.

I'm done with the price tags of football its a lottery regardless of cost. As long as Jürgen gives the final say then I'm ok with that.

I'm done with the price tags of football its a lottery regardless of cost. As long as Jürgen gives the final say then I'm ok with that.

I'm all good with Jürgen finding value, he's proven in the past he's brilliant at it. My hope is though that alongside and in conjunction with this rummaging through the bargain bin, when he DOES turn around (and he will have to IMHO at some point) and say "I want such and such and he'll cost 40 million quid plus 220K per week", the owners back him. I'm just not sure they will.