What I mean Diego is that Dortmund may well value him at 25m and in a summer window would reluctantly sell, in a winter window there tends to get a premium added to get them to really turn their heads, we may not have added enough to do that
I know mate and I agree, I'm just not too good at explaining myself I think
Agents always know the selling clubs valuation.
Always.
Once you agree with that valuation, it's no longer subjective, but accepted as pretty much fact.
The reasons Klopp laid out were very clear; it wasn't about valuation, but about the other clubs being able to get a replacement.
I have no idea why this very simple premise causes so much confusion.
Look, if a club doesn't sell for 30m, it's because in current market conditions, they value him higher than that. To assume there's a fixed price on every player's heads is a bit of fantasy I'm afraid. It depends on lots of things like how the club is currently doing, possible replacements, contract details, etc, and those things change. Did Newcastle have time to replace Andy Caroll in January 31? I don't think so. Which is why under those conditions they valued him higher than they probably would have done so in August.
By the way I'm only discussing the theory behind this, I'm not even suggesting that we should panic and go around throwing 35m for Andy Carrolls, I have plenty of faith in Klopp even if sometimes I do feel a bit frustrated. But for me it's clear that it is a contradiction of terms to suggest we have exceeded club's valuations of their players and are somehow a victim of the market. It's much more likely that we have increased an offer for players above our initial valuation of them (that is, we have added a premium on OUR valuation), and even so have failed to sign anyone. The thing is, you could always go higher and higher after that, until you reach a certain ceiling which reflects the club's willingness to spend. The problem might be, however, in how low or high that ceiling is.
All of which becomes quite pointless really as the weaknesses of our squad today are the same ones we had back in August. So if January
really is the only problem in our lives, then we should have done business earlier. It's not as if the African Cup of Nations was announced in November, I guess.
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