REDS FANS BUY-OUT - ECHO

Liverpool FC fans in buy-out sensation
Jan 30 2008 Liverpool Echo

A NEW group is preparing a plan to buy out Liverpool FC's US owners.

It is understood the group comprises high-profile LFC fans, legal experts and people in senior public positions.

They are believed to be proposing a Continental-style model where fans own a huge stake in major clubs.

The ECHO understands the group plans to raise £500m to buy the club AND finance a new stadium.

Go-ed lads !!

Blydi hell, good luck!!

Ill chuck in a tenner for a share if they want. good luck to them tho.

http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/liverpool-fc/liverpool-fc-news/2008/01/30/liverpool-fc-fans-in-buy-out-sensation-100252-20413116/

Heres the link for the Echo website if anyone wants to read this bit of great news.

I dont think it will happen, and I also don't think they will have enough money for them to last, unless they buy-out the Americans and then sell to DIC

unless they buy-out the Americans and then sell to DIC

I think you've just sussed it mate

Go ed Lads! & Ladies of course

Haha, would be fantastic if this happens, maybe if we all donate some money, all of us, we could buy them out, i'd pay about £30! Or even more, let's do it!

YNWA

Matt

GOOD LUCK

All we need is 50,000 people with a spare £10,000

Mate it's definitely possible, we could seriously do this, we could raise cash and buy them out, im actually being serious, those that seriously want them out will donate! We could egt in cotnact with this group and own shares and sell it on to the best man/group for our long term future!

YNWA

Matt

Berate me if you want? but its all bullshit!!
Who in their right minds would invest millions for a minor stake? We've already got two owner who can't agree at the moment! Could you imagine what ten or fifteen would be like!!
Anyway who are these individuals, declare yourselves!
Pie in the sky, believe me.

neil course it's pie in the sky mate, but we can dream cant we!

Matt

neil course it's pie in the sky mate, but we can dream cant we!

Matt

I'm not in the mood to be wound up by anybody, especially after the rollercoaster ride we've all been forced on to recently

It would be nice to think this could happen, or am I dreamin??

Where do I sign?

Do they take luncheon vouchers as a contribution?

...then I woke up.

All we need is 50,000 people with a spare £10,000

We only need 49.999 now

Count me in......I've got a few grand stashed away

great news!!!YANKIS GO HOME

Berate me if you want? but its all bullshit!!
Who in their right minds would invest millions for a minor stake? We've already got two owner who can't agree at the moment! Could you imagine what ten or fifteen would be like!!
Anyway who are these individuals, declare yourselves!
Pie in the sky, believe me.

Surely this is essentially what owning shares is all about.  I'd be quite happy to own a 'share' of Liverpool FC - even if it was with 50,000 other people.

Count me in......I've got a few grand stashed away

Couldn't lends us a couple of quid could you... Please...
going London at the weekend and im a bit skint you see.

I would throw in 10 or 20,000. although i think this could be a bad idea because it could lead to alot of disagreements among other fans, although we could then sell half to DIC

Think where down to 49.996.
Where getting there.

Come on this isn't going to happen its just false hope. I wish more than anything that the Americans could get bought out but they are notttt going to leave pretty much no matter how much they offer.

This would be an investment gone wrong.
Wonder what the next storys about the club will be?

put me down for a share aswell

Me to

Berate me if you want? but its all bullshit!!
Who in their right minds would invest millions for a minor stake? We've already got two owner who can't agree at the moment! Could you imagine what ten or fifteen would be like!!
Anyway who are these individuals, declare yourselves!
Pie in the sky, believe me.

...Mate  , the Liverpool Echo dosent make stories up like the tabloids ....it will certainly have some truth to it.

......its just a matter of whether the fat yank tit-heads decide to sell out or not which i cannot see happening , although i would be loved to be proved wrong !

While this is a nice idea I cant see it happening,and if it did we would have problems galore.There would have to be majority shareholders who would want to run the club and they coiuld be as bad as Tom, George and Rick.We could finish up in a worse situation than we are at present.I personally think we should of given Morgan a go when he wanted to buy the club.At least he was a committed RED.

good point billy but like it has already been said the fans buy then sell to dic straight away......go for it thats what i say

This is a great idea, I don't know if it will ever get off the ground but these Guys are holding a press conference tomorrow that will be covered by Granada Reports!!!!!

This is a great idea, I don't know if it will ever get off the ground but these Guys are holding a press conference tomorrow that will be covered by Granada Reports!!!!!

Yeah, it's on BBC Northwest Tonight (tomorrow) as well mate. Very interesting to say the least.

I just heard on Radio city, a fella called Roman Talyor wants 100,00 reds to help buy the club.
i cant find any news on any other site about it yet, but they were saying about a news conference tomorrow, can anyone confirm this.

I just heard on Radio city, a fella called Roman Talyor wants 100,00 reds to help buy the club.
I cant find any news on any other site about it yet, but they were saying about a news conference tomorrow, can anyone confirm this.

Is it Rogan Taylor?

I would definitely go for this.....quite seriously.

Bad idea.

Sorry to burst the bubble somewhat, but do you honestly think there won't be people who would look to exploit this just as the Americans have done. It'd be a dangerous game to play, and I'd much prefer a sell to DIC, who have a constant income in the form of gallons of oil, whereas this would be made up of fans who perhaps can't quite constantly donate toward buying that £20million star player.

Bad idea.

Sorry to burst the bubble somewhat, but do you honestly think there won't be people who would look to exploit this just as the Americans have done. It'd be a dangerous game to play, and I'd much prefer a sell to DIC, who have a constant income in the form of gallons of oil, whereas this would be made up of fans who perhaps can't quite constantly donate toward buying that £20million star player.

It's all infant as far as I see it mate. Just a notion. I think this press conference tomorrow may or may not be a way of 'getting people on board'. And if it is, then your assumptions might be right. If it isn't, then it will be interesting.

BUT! Better the devil you know goes out the window for me now. Any chance of getting the yanks out would really appeal to me.

Let's see what happens tomorrow.

if most fans do want the yanks out which I do myself lets remember 1 thing that English people have forgot in all aspects. there is power in the people. if all fans missed 1 game the yanks would sh*t themself and sell up quicker than you could say dic. I know it wouldn't be nice to see a empty anfield but it would force them to sell. they would see we are prepared to take a stand for the club we love and are prepared to miss games so they would lose money which they are only here for. people have to use the power we have because its are club.

EXCLUSIVE: Liverpool FC supporters unveil plan to buy out club

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A GROUP of high-profile Liverpool FC supporters will today unveil radical proposals for a £500m fans’ buy-out of their club, in an audacious display of supporter power.

The Share Liverpool FC Group is looking for 100,000 fans to raise the money to purchase the club from its current American owners and build a new stadium, with an investment of some £5,000 each.

Many Anfield fans are furious that a £350m loans package secured by US owners Tom Hicks and George Gillett last week will saddle the club with massive interest payments of up to £30m a year.

Now Rogan Taylor, who is leading g the three-strong group triumvirate behind the three-strong group behind the buy-out, has said enough is enough.

They are proposing a Barcelona- style, “member-share” scheme – full details of which will be revealed at a press conference at the School of Management at the University of Liverpool in Myrtle Street at 5pm tonight.

“No-one who was on the Kop when we played Aston Villa last Monday night could have mistaken how deeply disturbed everyone was at the turn of events, and the feeling that there was something very wrong that was going wrong in this,” said Mr Taylor, who is a Kop season ticket-holder of 40 years’ standing and a director of the Football Industry Group at the University of Liverpool.

“The time is right to offer a different solution to the rising concerns that football fans have about the patterns of ownership developing at our major football clubs.

“Thousands of Liverpool fans have already demonstrated their dissatisfaction with the current state of affairs. Large amounts of debt often devolves onto clubs newly purchased, but the fans know that in the end, it will be they themselves who will have to pay it off through increased ticket prices and other schemes.

“So why not simply buy the club yourselves?

“I thought about approaching David Moores about this plan about two years ago, but then everybody was sitting on the fence about buying the club. But the timing has got to be right – and now people are angry enough about what’s been happening to their club to make things work.”

Joining him in the initial launch scheme are two “big hitters” in the concept of giving the club back to the fans.

Phil French is the former director of communications and public policy at the Premier League. He is now chief executive officer of Supporters Direct, the government-backed organisation promoting democratic supporter ownership and representation.

They have been joined by Kevin Jaquiss, of the law firm Cobbetts, specialists in co- operative and mutual law. Mr Jacquiss is part of the group which developed the Supporters Trust concept and wrote the model constitution which is now used by over 100 Fans’ Trusts in England, Wales and Scotland.

Mr Taylor, who is also founder member and Chairman of the Football Supporters’ Association, launched in Liverpool after the Heysel Stadium Disaster, explained that what many people did not realise was that there were other ways of financing and taking ownership of big clubs.

In Germany and Spain, he said, most top-level football clubs are simply “Not For Sale”. They are owned by many thousands of “member fans”. The Champions League has been won on six occasions in the last 15 years by clubs owned and run in such a way, he added.

“If the situation develops as it is, we’re going to have to buy every home game in advance. So, if you’re going to have the money dragged out of your hands to pay for nothing, you may as well use it yourself to keep control. If you present it as, say, funding a couple of trips to Istanbul, then most fans would say ‘Let’s get in there’.”

Mr Taylor refused to be drawn on more specific details of the scheme until tonight’s press conference.

But John Mackin, editor of Liverpool fanzine Red All Over The Land, who has been privy to the buy-out plan, has been impressed by its scope and detail – it’s just a matter of getting it set up in time.

“This is not a pie-in-the-sky operation that’s been written on the back of a cigarette packet. These guys know what they’re talking about. It’s a very exciting prospect where they will be asking the fans to come together in a Barcelona-style arrangement where the fans essentially own the club on a one fan, one share, one vote basis.”

Neil Blankstone, a director of Blankstone Sington, a stock- broking firm that specialised in buying and selling Liverpool FC shares when it was a public company, said more details were needed on the scheme before an assessment could be made over whether the scheme could possibly succeed.

The £5,000 that would be required of 100,000 fans would match the price that stockholders were paid per share when Hicks and Gillett took over.

“Before then, prices had been creeping up to around £4,500.”

He said interest in buying Liverpool FC shares had been steady until the buy-out by the Americans.

He said the key factors in the valuation of the club were the new financing deal, money from TV deals, and a possible new stadium.

“The key question is whether it would be enough to tempt the current American owners to sell. The second is if it’s 100,000 at £5,000, would that be feasible and possible to bring about?

“These are questions that hang in the air – so watch this space.”

Other city sources, however, last night stressed that Dubai International Capital (DIC) remained by far the most likely new investor in LFC, if Tom Hicks, George Gillett or, indeed, both decided the time was right to relinquish their holding.

Interesting that it is £5k - exactly the amount all the old shareholders got.

Clearly when Moores was in charge he should have simply offered more shares in the club.  The F***ing moron.  He was too self obsessed with maintaining his 51% majority control to do this.  As it is he got effectively peanuts compared to what these Yanks will get.

It would be VERY hard for the new owners to turn down a bid from the fans.....

Whether you could get £5K off 100,000 fans is debateable but ... not impossible.

get 10 fellow reds and co-own a £5k share for £500 each....can be easily done!

get 10 fellow reds and co-own a £5k share for £500 each....can be easily done!

Then you're looking at a million investors, which I feel is a tad unrealistic.

Then you're looking at a million investors, which I feel is a tad unrealistic.

Isn't Ebbsfleet Utd owned by fans?

Where is eddie c in all this? I'm waiting for his view so i can have a giggle

Interesting that it is £5k - exactly the amount all the old shareholders got.

Clearly when Moores was in charge he should have simply offered more shares in the club.  The F***ing moron.  He was too self obsessed with maintaining his 51% majority control to do this.  As it is he got effectively peanuts compared to what these Yanks will get.

It would be VERY hard for the new owners to turn down a bid from the fans.....

Whether you could get £5K off 100,000 fans is debateable but ... not impossible.

I like this idea, it works well for Barcelona there members share scheme, and for a lot of other clubs.
I would think if this scheme gets of the ground, selling 100,000 shares at £5K would be no probs., a lot of people would, if they got the chance buy more than 1 share.

get 10 fellow reds and co-own a £5k share for £500 each....can be easily done!

You are right, family's would buy a share or shares in Liverpool, and groups of friends.
So 100,000 shares, I would think would be very easy to sell.

To have a football club, not in any debt and money to build the new ground, no loans so no interest payments, we would end up as a very rich club, and have the money to get the best players in the world.

Does anybody know how we can get hold of Rogan Taylor and his group, because I for one would buy a share, or more, so I would like to tell them they can have a few bob of me.

I hope this will grow and grow, and by the end of the season, the fans own Liverpool Football Club.

I think like what has happened to Ebbsfleet we should do, just to kick the owners out. For example there are about 10,000,000 Liverpool supporters and if everyone was willing to chuck in 100 pounds just for the love of the club it is possible. However the Yanks leaving another way would also be good.

£10,000 MY ARSE!!!

I think like what has happened to Ebbsfleet we should do, just to kick the owners out. For example there are about 10,000,000 Liverpool supporters and if everyone was willing to chuck in 100 pounds just for the love of the club it is possible. However the Yanks leaving another way would also be good.

Hey thats a great idea. I'll be the CEO, donrafael can be the MD, maybe Mavis from Coronation Street can come around and do the cleaning??

Then you're looking at a million investors, which I feel is a tad unrealistic.

Its unrealistic because they would all be fighting over each other.....its Communism writ large. You have a 1000 guys all holding the same thing all trying to be the one who makes the decisions. It won't work. What you need is one guy who puts up 30%, another who puts up 20% and the remainder split between the fans. That way there is parity, and neither group can do something without the consensus of the others.

www.shareliverpool.co.uk

There is a live press conference at 5pm this evening, where all the details will be announced.

www.shareliverpool.co.uk

There is a live press conference at 5pm this evening, where all the details will be announced.

Thats great. Just when the Hicks and Rafa have smoothed things over, the gobshites in the stands kick it up again. Why should I trust some moron in a Liverpool trackie who appears on TV anymore than I should trust some moron called Hicks??

You know what this is?

Its Michael Knighton all over again.

Where do I sign?

Truly brilliant idea. This will test theYanks...

Count me in - big time.

Will it just be Fancard holders - I'll get a slice for my boy too then...!

Got to dream I suppose...

Can any of the players, kick in some money too? Ease the burden on the Fans....surely after what we have been going through as fans and with there hefty pay packets they might want to help out. That's pocket change to them...surely they want to get rid of the Yanks as much as we do.

Can any of the players, kick in some money too? Ease the burden on the Fans....surely after what we have been going through as fans and with there hefty pay packets they might want to help out. That's pocket change to them...surely they want to get rid of the Yanks as much as we do.

Is Macca (the muscial one) - an LFC fan?

Anyone got Rogan Taylor's email address, im extremely interested, we can get rid of these Yanks, we can do this, because there are fans all over the world who would treasure a share in LFC, i know i certainly would!

YNWA

Matt

Is Macca (the muscial one) - an LFC fan?

I'm sure he'd give an arm and a leg for the club, oh no sorry that's Heather Mills

I'm sure he'd give an arm and a leg for the club, oh no sorry that's Heather Mills

I wouldn't have her supporting Liverpool !!! - I mean, for starters - we would be useless in cup competitions.... over two legs!

We should give Ringo a ring too...

I wouldn't have her supporting Liverpool !!! - I mean, for starters - we would be useless in cup competitions.... over two legs!

We should give Ringo a ring too...

, good one mate!

This will come to nothing.

Are the fans going to negotiate with architects and banks?

Are the fans going to source money for the players??

This is a scam whereby a handful of cute lads will take advantage of the masses.

You better believe it mateys.

Thats great. Just when the Hicks and Rafa have smoothed things over, the gobshites in the stands kick it up again.

Nice choice of words.
Tell you've never been to support the club.

Hicks, is what we could call an a**e licker! He know's the fans are breathing fire on him, so he decides to go all smoochy towards Rafa, he doesn't mean it!

He lied to the fans and to the club! He went behind Rafa's back, he has a hell of a lot to do, if he wants my respect back!

Starting with more finances!

YNWA

Matt

Nice choice of words.
Tell you've never been to support the club.

I am sorry....but can you see this gentleman:-

1. Getting 10 Grand.

2.Making a fist of running LFC??

??
The figure is £5,000 mate not £10,000
Do you know this fellow ?, Looks like he follows his team abroad to me, so he must have cash.
One photograph of him, and you judge him - nice.

Okay then...what about him........



because when you are talking about getting money of 40,000 people you better believe some of them are going to be ASSHOLES and it only takes a few bad apples. Thats what spoils it, and thats why this project is not going to work.

This will come to nothing.

Are the fans going to negotiate with architects and banks?

Are the fans going to source money for the players??

This is a scam whereby a handful of cute lads will take advantage of the masses.

You better believe it mateys.

Sorry mate, it does not work that way.
If this comes off, you cant have 100.000 people trying to run the club.
We would do what Barcelona do, and all the other clubs do, the share owners would vote a directors in, lets say about 12, then some run for 2 years some run for 3 years, and so on, that way the share owners would be voting new directors in, or the old ones if there doing a good job every 2 or 3 years.
Like Barcelona we would vote for a President or Chairman to run the club for the share owners let say every 3 or 4 years.
It works very well, and the share owners have the power of the vote.

So we have a few photo's of a few bad lads supporting Liverpool have we.

Also the figure required is 100,000 people - if you can't get your facts rights, then don't bother questioning things.

Also, do you think Liverpool will just accept any £5,000 application   - your a joke mate.

Go back to your own little club you support, and leave this club to it's real supporters.

Part of election campaigns are to state what players they will go after they use this to get your vote

So we have a few photo's of a few bad lads supporting Liverpool have we.

Also the figure required is 100,000 people - if you can't get your facts rights, then don't bother questioning things.

Also, do you think Liverpool will just accept any £5,000 application  - your a joke mate.

Go back to your own little club you support, and leave this club to it's real supporters.

You don't have ten bob mate...and 100,000 fans means even more scope for skullduggery.

It will come to nothing and if you can't handle that then sorry for ya.

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So we have a few photo's of a few bad lads supporting Liverpool have we.

Also the figure required is 100,000 people - if you can't get your facts rights, then don't bother questioning things.

Also, do you think Liverpool will just accept any £5,000 application  - your a joke mate.

Go back to your own little club you support, and leave this club to it's real supporters.

So they need 100,000 sets of 5 Grand but not anybodies 5 grand is good enough. If one in 4 Liverpool fans is a Scally or an idiot then, potentially, they will need to interview 400,000 people to decide who the "lucky" 100,000 are.

So by 2020 we should be in a position to make this happen, and by that stage the £5000 will be worth around £2300.

Brilliant.

You don't have ten bob mate...and 100,000 fans means even more scope for skullduggery.

It will come to nothing and if you can't handle that then sorry for ya.

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I think we have a common case of an 'lfc.tv forum regular'.

Stand by for futher testing.

Never been to that sites forum mate. Its probably full of dreamers, just like this one and all

You don't have ten bob mate.
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You obviously don't know me then do you.

If one in 4 Liverpool fans is a Scally or an idiot then

Brilliant.

High opinion of the supporters haven't you.

Never been to that sites forum mate. Its probably full of dreamers, just like this one and all

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Brother, 1 in 4 people are no good. Stop with the "holier than thou" nonsense. Our lot are no holier than Uniteds, or Chelseas, or the Hammers or ANYBODIES fans. I believe our behaviour in Athens at least proved we have a hardcore gang of arseholes in our Midst. Weeding them out would take more time than is worth and would completely slow down ANY Fan-based takeover.

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Yeah, its all fun and games isn't it. Keep it up matey....I'll offer you a bet....my 100 quid to your 10 quid that this all comes to nothing. Howzat??

Okay then...what about him........



because when you are talking about getting money of 40,000 people you better believe some of them are going to be ASSHOLES and it only takes a few bad apples. Thats what spoils it, and thats why this project is not going to work.

Just cos he has a liverpool shirt on doesn't mean anything.....you can get them from anywhere, he could support anyone else, but just to cause trouble and give LFC fans a bad name he could be wearing a liverpool shirt.

I was at the Heysel Stadium in Brussels and saw Juventus fans with Liverpool scarfs over their faces causing trouble, and of course the papers picked it up and guess who got the blame for causing a load of aggro!!

Yeah, its all fun and games isn't it. Keep it up matey....I'll offer you a bet....my 100 quid to your 10 quid that this all comes to nothing. Howzat??

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I can't see this happening to be honest but like the idea of it. I had never even heard of this ownership model before now

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