January transfer window - Have we done enough?

We got rid of Konchesky.
Bought the best young striker around.
Bought a proven goal scorer.
Cemented Kenny's place as the manager.
Shifted El Judas to his 'natural home'.
The owners proved they are not H&J.

Apart from not signing Charlie Adam, it was perfect.

for a january window we have done very well. for to long we have complained about the lack of firepower up front, especially when Torres was injured.  then he came back scored a few then got injured again. Ok so now he's gone and taken his bottom lip with him, but we now have two goalscorers who can actually play together or on their own.

The midfield is looking much better especially with Meireles really starting to look like the real deal.  Shelvey is breaking through at a very young age and that boy has ability and really know a pass.

The defence now has agger back in and carra coming back.  he will need replacing, but there is now time in the summer for that.  Kelly is looking better and better at right back and Johnson seems to be a better left back than right back, which is strange.  Yes we need some wingers, but in the summer we will have more money to spend, as we have only spent net 1.5 million which is fantastic business.  Johnson could play right wing, which would leave us to buy a left back and left winger.  Just remember Dalglish has shifted a few lads from Kirkby to Melwood and Pacheco must be getting closer to some first team starts.  The future is Liverpool and what a difference a few months has made.

Fantastic post here.

barry mate, you've got it all wrong. The fact remains that we WOULDNT have operated a sell to buy policy if Torres hadn't handed in a transfer request. The only reason we ended up spending so little in net was because of that deal, and I can't imagine it was in the owner's mind to cash in on a prize asset. Torres left us in the lurch with that one and it meant we could be held to ransom by Newcastle because 1) They knew we needed a striker to replace Torres and 2) They knew we had 50m from Chelsea coming in!

NESV are not operating a sell to buy policy, this HAS to be made clear. I'm hesitant to mention Hicks and Gillett anywhere here because as corbally and yourself have said they are hardly a high benchmark, but to compare previously we sold Mascherano and bought Poulsen. Compare that to selling Torres and buying TWO strikers in Suarez and Carroll. I just don't understand how you've got the idea NESV are operating under sell to buy when the only reason we sold Torres was because he asked to go? Explain it for me, because maybe I'm just being thick.

Right now I am really pissed off that Torres left, because I was of the opinion that with Kenny taking over from Hodgson that Torres had started to turn things around, even started to look his old self. The only possible reason I can come up with for his departure is that in his eyes the new owners lacked ambition. I firmly believe that he had been given information that they were not looking to add some class players, invest 50-60 million of their own money in January.

That for him was the last straw.

Now some people are suggesting they would have invested a lot more if Torres had not left, but there is no proof of that, and the contrary looks far more likely.

Can anyone at all suggest even one other reason why Torres decided to leave. We all know how passionate he was about investment in the team, and quite honestly he has been feeding on scraps for a long time now because of the lack of quality around him.  Many people have gone from adoring him to hating him overnight, and are too quick to give the owners the benefit of the doubt than to ask the question  "why did he choose to leave" ?

The owners could have and should have been aggressive from the start of the window, but it looks to me that they planned to break even. Thats why he fu**ed off.

I would have liked to have seen Charlie Adam come in. But lets be realistic.

Blackpool were quoting a silly price and I don't know how much Spurs offered but that was rejected as well.

I would have liked to have seen Charlie Adam come in. But lets be realistic.

Blackpool were quoting a silly price and I don't know how much Spurs offered but that was rejected as well.

According to Harry, their bid for Adams was accepted.

Alot of people won't like my opinion but I'm going to say it anyway...

This January has been a nightmare.

Our talisman, our best striker, our Fernando has left us for 30 pieces of silver, stabbed us in the back, prostituted himself to our rivals, dragging our club's name through the mud while doing so...anyway, he's gone now and good riddance.

I can't help but feeling that we paid WAY TOO MUCH for Carroll - please, £35 M? - he is worth £20M maximum. I cant help feeling it is a panic buy and he is totally overated by jingoistic idiots in the media like Adrian durham on talksport..

Caroll is the product over an over-enthusiastic English media over-hyping English players.
another example, why is everyone going totally mad regarding charlie adam? Who is Charlie adam? Why are we so desperate to buy this mediocre player and allowing that loud obnoxious mouthy tart holloway to publically humiliate and ridicule King Kenny's offers for this Championship-level player?
Charlie adam had two good games where he played some Hollywood balls BUT THEN MADE DEFENSIVE MISTAKES where he didn't track back and allowed the opposition to penetrate the midfield (as highlighted in Match of the Day) - anyone can have a run of two good games, it doesn't mean they're suddenly worth £8M.
let's stop over-hyping and over-valuing MEDIOCRE players like caroll and Adam and wanting to buy them just because they had a string of good games - like when Breda Hangelund was flavour of the month and everyone wanted him when Hodgson was in charge of fulham and took them to the europa final - Hangelund was touted as being worth TRIPLE what he is now just because he had a run of good games, eveyone wanted him, Tottenham, Chelsea Arsenal with their crap defence etc...but now, he has shown what an average player he is, making mistakes etc and his value and interest has dropped accordingly. That's just one example, there are many other players who are hyped up beyond belief on the basis of a few good games: Daivid Bentley is another example. Mediocre players with over-inflated price tags.
Charlie Adam is definitely in this category - and Caroll is over-priced and over-hyped as well. £35M???!!! PFFFTTT...

Suarez is the only saving grace to come out of this transfer window - him and King Kenny - King Kenny has dealt with the whole Torres thing really well - allowed the Judas to go without draggng our name in the mud (although the judas did try) and responded with a few transfers of our own (albeit for too much money).

All in all, a NIGHTMARE transfer window for us.
Thank God for Kenny and Luis.

Oh, and Kenny did well to hang onto Kyrgiakos - a good centre back to cover our current crop of defenders - his £1.5M price tag is a bargain considering the price of the likes of Caroll and Adam...

Can anyone at all suggest even one other reason why Torres decided to leave.

Yes, Torres is the most sold name on a football shirt in the world. In the summer Huang and his associates told Torres that he would become the Liverpool poster boy - not gerrard - when they took over the club and that he would become the biggest star in the world earning a nice cool mint on the image rights from a Billion fans. He was probably promised a whole load of other things but bear with me.....

Fast forward 6mths, we now have Very Very Schrewd Business Men who own us, not Oligarchs, not Countries and not Oil Shieks but business men. These guy understand the impending Financial rules and have a good business model. Salaries reflect an upside down U curve, start low, peak on the peak of play apx 27-28, and reduce in old age. Equate this to the revenue of the Club. Chances of Torres getting a massive pay out now............ZILCH.... he's 27 with a 3yr (not sure) contract remaining. He knew he would not get a big pay out.

He left becuase Chelsea offered him £35Million .........good dam that is a big number. Money talks and all this Agent rubbish you see fools us all into believing he is the real deal....well he is not and most of us would do the same, he is not an LFC fan, he is an employee. All employees want more ££££ Chelsea offerd it, we didn't.

Edit add: Please to say we didnt and slacked him off. F*ing n*b.

Yes, Torres is the most sold name on a football shirt in the world. In the summer Huang and his associates told Torres that he would become the Liverpool poster boy - not gerrard - when they took over the club and that he would become the biggest star in the world earning a nice cool mint on the image rights from a Billion fans. He was probably promised a whole load of other things but bear with me.....

Fast forward 6mths, we now have Very Very Schrewd Business Men who own us, not Oligarchs, not Countries and not Oil Shieks but business men. These guy understand the impending Financial rules and have a good business model. Salaries reflect an upside down U curve, start low, peak on the peak of play apx 27-28, and reduce in old age. Equate this to the revenue of the Club. Chances of Torres getting a massive pay out now............ZILCH.... he's 27 with a 3yr (not sure) contract remaining. He knew he would not get a big pay out.

He left becuase Chelsea offered him £35Million .........good dam that is a big number. Money talks and all this Agent rubbish you see fools us all into believing he is the real deal....well he is not and most of us would do the same, he is not an LFC fan, he is an employee. All employees want more ££££ Chelsea offerd it, we didn't.

Edit add: Please to say we didnt and slacked him off. F*ing n*b.

100% spot on there mate i remember reading something the other day that the main thing for torres to sort out with chelsea was the % he was getting from him image rights, this is mega money. and for me i could understnd torres for leaving if he said it was money as he will stand to earn something around an extra 40million (quote i read) in the next few years at chelsea then he would have liverpool, now this would secure his families(something that goes deeper than affiliation to a foreign football club) future for generations more 

I think were in a better position coming out the window than we were going into it, so yes I'd say that was a good window.

I think were in a better position coming out the window than we were going into it, so yes I'd say that was a good window.

defo's we r. I mean everybody will always like that the one extra player but a net spend of about 2 million and what we hve got and got rid of we all should b very happy and all look towards the summer window where we need I would say at least 3 if not four big money signings.  to get up there amongst the top 2 again

Alot of people won't like my opinion but I'm going to say it anyway...

This January has been a nightmare.

Our talisman, our best striker, our Fernando has left us for 30 pieces of silver, stabbed us in the back, prostituted himself to our rivals, dragging our club's name through the mud while doing so...anyway, he's gone now and good riddance.

I can't help but feeling that we paid WAY TOO MUCH for Carroll - please, £35 M? - he is worth £20M maximum. I cant help feeling it is a panic buy and he is totally overated by jingoistic idiots in the media like Adrian durham on talksport..

Caroll is the product over an over-enthusiastic English media over-hyping English players.
another example, why is everyone going totally mad regarding charlie adam? Who is Charlie adam? Why are we so desperate to buy this mediocre player and allowing that loud obnoxious mouthy tart holloway to publically humiliate and ridicule King Kenny's offers for this Championship-level player?
Charlie adam had two good games where he played some Hollywood balls BUT THEN MADE DEFENSIVE MISTAKES where he didn't track back and allowed the opposition to penetrate the midfield (as highlighted in Match of the Day) - anyone can have a run of two good games, it doesn't mean they're suddenly worth £8M.
let's stop over-hyping and over-valuing MEDIOCRE players like caroll and Adam and wanting to buy them just because they had a string of good games - like when Breda Hangelund was flavour of the month and everyone wanted him when Hodgson was in charge of fulham and took them to the europa final - Hangelund was touted as being worth TRIPLE what he is now just because he had a run of good games, eveyone wanted him, Tottenham, Chelsea Arsenal with their crap defence etc...but now, he has shown what an average player he is, making mistakes etc and his value and interest has dropped accordingly. That's just one example, there are many other players who are hyped up beyond belief on the basis of a few good games: Daivid Bentley is another example. Mediocre players with over-inflated price tags.
Charlie Adam is definitely in this category - and Caroll is over-priced and over-hyped as well. £35M???!!! PFFFTTT...

Suarez is the only saving grace to come out of this transfer window - him and King Kenny - King Kenny has dealt with the whole Torres thing really well - allowed the Judas to go without draggng our name in the mud (although the judas did try) and responded with a few transfers of our own (albeit for too much money).

All in all, a NIGHTMARE transfer window for us.
Thank God for Kenny and Luis.

for what we overpaid for carrol say about 15 mil we probs underpaid that for suarez because that was the figure that ajax wanted in the summer after the world cup, also we where overpaid for torres based on current form, his performances this season have been abismal at best and if it werent for his name we wud of got about 10 for him. just be happy mate the futures bright F**k nando and forget about him ill bet yathat it isnt bothering him as it is some lfc fans, every 1 needs to move on from this and focus on the players we have got nw and will look to bring in in future windows

Alot of people won't like my opinion but I'm going to say it anyway...

This January has been a nightmare.

Our talisman, our best striker, our Fernando has left us for 30 pieces of silver, stabbed us in the back, prostituted himself to our rivals, dragging our club's name through the mud while doing so...anyway, he's gone now and good riddance.

I can't help but feeling that we paid WAY TOO MUCH for Carroll - please, £35 M? - he is worth £20M maximum. I cant help feeling it is a panic buy and he is totally overated by jingoistic idiots in the media like Adrian durham on talksport..

Caroll is the product over an over-enthusiastic English media over-hyping English players.
another example, why is everyone going totally mad regarding charlie adam? Who is Charlie adam? Why are we so desperate to buy this mediocre player and allowing that loud obnoxious mouthy tart holloway to publically humiliate and ridicule King Kenny's offers for this Championship-level player?
Charlie adam had two good games where he played some Hollywood balls BUT THEN MADE DEFENSIVE MISTAKES where he didn't track back and allowed the opposition to penetrate the midfield (as highlighted in Match of the Day) - anyone can have a run of two good games, it doesn't mean they're suddenly worth £8M.
let's stop over-hyping and over-valuing MEDIOCRE players like caroll and Adam and wanting to buy them just because they had a string of good games - like when Breda Hangelund was flavour of the month and everyone wanted him when Hodgson was in charge of fulham and took them to the europa final - Hangelund was touted as being worth TRIPLE what he is now just because he had a run of good games, eveyone wanted him, Tottenham, Chelsea Arsenal with their crap defence etc...but now, he has shown what an average player he is, making mistakes etc and his value and interest has dropped accordingly. That's just one example, there are many other players who are hyped up beyond belief on the basis of a few good games: Daivid Bentley is another example. Mediocre players with over-inflated price tags.
Charlie Adam is definitely in this category - and Caroll is over-priced and over-hyped as well. £35M???!!! PFFFTTT...

Suarez is the only saving grace to come out of this transfer window - him and King Kenny - King Kenny has dealt with the whole Torres thing really well - allowed the Judas to go without draggng our name in the mud (although the judas did try) and responded with a few transfers of our own (albeit for too much money).

All in all, a NIGHTMARE transfer window for us.
Thank God for Kenny and Luis.

Fair play on your views lad, you won't get too many agreeing with you here though.

Just to counter one of your points about Carroll, I do think that English players tend to be hyped far too much by the English media, but I think Carroll is also the real deal. Just because he's got a hype surronding him doesn't mean he won't succeed now does it? I agree we overpaid for him, but that was because Newcastle knew we had 50m burning our pockets from the Torres deal, and knew we needed to sign a striker. Apparently we offered £25m and Newcastle said no, but made it clear they'd accept the bid if we added another 10m. Fair play to the owners for not shrinking and putting their money up (or the Torres deal money, whichever way you look at it). These players, Hangeland, Adam, Carroll, are 'flavours of the month' for a good reason. Adam has played well this season and Hangeland is a good defender and a superior player to Skrtel, and maybe Carra now as well. As for Carroll, I think if he was foreign and had the scoring record he had this season there'd be much less controversy about the whole deal. I see him as an English Llorente and I hope he continues to prove he's well capable of scoring in the Premiership. He's scored more than Torres this season and I really really hope he ends up with more goals than him come the summer.

But yes, Carroll, overpaid for but a necessary purchase (did you really want to play the rest of the season with only N'Gog and Suarez as a strike pair?). Suarez an excellent deal and probably turn out to be a bargain.

Enough? No. We have a decent spine to the team and Suarez and Carroll add to that. But on the wings (still) we lack the quality needed. Kelly is turning into a fantastic RB with a great future ahead for him. Johnson is not a LB, he's hardly a full back, and ultimately is a weak link on the left. Maxi is far too inconsistent. When he plays well he is a fantastic attacking threat, but he simply doesn't do it enough for us. Kuyt is having one of his worst seasons to date and still drifts in too much for me. And our options on the bench are few and far between. Babel is gone, Jovanovic doesn't want to play on the wing and Dani is lacking experience and strength that will come with more games. Cole is a pale reflection of his former self and just can't do it for us.

Ultimately we needed a winger and a full back and failed to strengthen the areas that have been our weakest for some time yet. BUt I believe that we have improved the squad. Losing Torres is a blow but his form this season is the same as Kuyt, its been his worst season. Carroll and Suarez are having their best years thus far each. I'm not saying they're going to be definite successes but they will give us more options up front than just give it to the striker and hope for the best. We've replaced one quality striker (in terrible form) with two young eager quality strikers.

Would of liked it more if we had brought in Adams or Young
But quiet happy with what we got

It was good to hear Alan Hansen telling it like it is on Match of the day last night - "No way is Andy Carroll worth £35M" - although he realises we needed to respond to the Torres transfer, he knows that £35M is too much money for Carroll. I totally agree - I hope Carroll 'earns' that transfer fee though....

Really happy, would of been complete in my opinion if we had got Adams. Were building up a good British team

I agree with this, but I'd still like to see us make a few more moves in the summer to turn us back into a real force in England.  Skrtel, Sotis, Aurelio, Konch, Poulsen, and Jova need to be sold.  We need to bring in a top CB, a top LB, a CDM, and a top winger (preferably left footed).  Also recall Insua and if Juve won't cough up the money for Aqua, bring him back as well.  A few well placed moves in the summer with a decent level of investment (roughly 30 million on top of player sales) could see us challenging for the league title again very soon. 

Welcome to Liverpool Andy and Luis!!!  YNWA

Agree but keep either skrtl or Sotis as a sub.

Yeah I think we did do enough.

Kenny has been changing the formation, tactics, training, player positions etc over the last 3 weeks and we have strengthened the areas he thought were the most important.

To have brought in another 2, possibly 3, players would have disrupted things too much, too quickly.  This way we can continue the gradual change, whilst getting stronger as a unit and more confident in the new style.

Suarez and Carroll over Babel and Torres, any day of the week!

who knows carroll might be another shearer he hasnt peaked yet. but if he scores as many as shearer that 35 mill is well worth it. saurez could be a monster for us prolific scorer. so now we have two young strikers fantastic, for torres and babel basically smart move .