Well done from a Manc

Not sure if this post goes in the Kop section or this, feel free to move it if needed 

Well what can i say!. Did you think as a Manc i will go into hiding till the dust settles  . Not at all. it doesn't even pain me to say it simply because its the truth. The best team on the day deserved to win. Apart from some bad decisions by the ref ( who was on your side for a change ) you can't really argue with the result. That fooking Torres is simply the best. I know Ferdinand has not had the best of seasons but even so,Torres brushed him off with easy to take the first goal. After reading all the negativity over the last couple of weeks saying Rafa should go / players not wearing the Liverpool shirt with pride / your a two man team etc etc etc, you certainly got you're act together yesterday. For once you played as a team and it certainly shown on the pitch. There was good movement throughout the team. Obviously i think the fans played a massive massive part as they brought the confidants on to the players. Once again you beat us without Gerrard . My biggest disappointment was Carragher should of gone, no ifs or buts it was a straight red. If you guys are man enough you will admit it as i'm admitting you deserved your win.

Obviously now you have that win under the belt it makes it interesting again. However, i was never one of the negatives that ever though you were out of it ( unlike so many on here ) Most of the senior members will know that Christmas time speaks volumes in the League. So to the negative posters?? where are you now??

Anyway, well done for a deserved win and lets hope we have more battles like that again. I can't wait for the return match 

My biggest disappointment was Carragher should of gone, no ifs or buts it was a straight red. If you guys are man enough you will admit it as I'm admitting you deserved your win.

If you had posted this yesterday straight after the game Keith I probably would have held my hand up and said Carragher should have walked, how ever after watching the game for a second time on LFC TV last night I'm not so sure as it was six of one half a dozen of the other, both Owen and Carragher were using their arms to gain an advantage on one an other so where was the first foul ?, my taking on the situation after watching it last night the first foul came from Owen, how ever I am not fully aware of the laws of the game in a way a referee would be, but the moment you grab a shirt or place your hands upon a player to gain an advantage that in itself is a foul no ?

Good to see you take the defeat on the chin and be graceful in it to though Keith and like you I can't want for the reverse fixture over at old toilet, I just wish we could play the Mancs every week on current form against you lot, played 3 won 3 scored 8 conceded 2.

nice hattrick from Vidic.

Nice one Keith, wouldn't say the ref was on our side, he was giving free-kicks all over the place to both teams. And Carra and Vidic both got the same punishment, with a yellow for the same foul, it's just the fact that Vidic got his second.

Nice to see some mancs, who actually talk sense!

nice hattrick from Vidic.

There's always one

If you had posted this yesterday straight after the game Keith I probably would have held my hand up and said Carragher should have walked, how ever after watching the game for a second time on LFC TV last night I'm not so sure as it was six of one half a dozen of the other, both Owen and Carragher were using their arms to gain an advantage on one an other so where was the first foul ?, my taking on the situation after watching it last night the first foul came from Owen, how ever I am not fully aware of the laws of the game in a way a referee would be, but the moment you grab a shirt or place your hands upon a player to gain an advantage that in itself is a foul no ?

Good to see you take the defeat on the chin and be graceful in it to though Keith and like you I can't want for the reverse fixture over at old toilet, I just wish we could play the Mancs every week on current form against you lot, played 3 won 3 scored 8 conceded 2.

Can you imagine what it would be like if we played eachother every week . I don't think i would be allowed on your forum . If your comments are to stand up then you could say the same about  Vidic being sent off... Its all ifs and buts but at the end of the day i don't think the result would of been any different

There's no way anyone could say the ref. was benevolent one way or the other, to my way of thinking he was more prone to take notice of the exaggerated reactions of Owen,Giggs et al . Vidic was his usual thuggish self and should have walked before he did while Owen trying to rag Jamie like the pr**k that he is then tried to get Carra sent off for trying to escape the embarrassing contact.
As for Ferguson complaining about the ref. being influenced by the crowd??? is he having a laugh - that tactic is used blatantly at old toilet and actively encouraged to the extent that only a limitted number of tickets for away fans are issued and the players come within a breath of getting sent off for intimidating the referee, actually believe it or not some of them have been sent for that very thing! I seriously don't think Ferguson should be in management at his age and with the associated medical issues he has i.e. alcoholism,high blood pressure and advanced dementure to say nothing of his sight and memory problems which are a serious concern in making coherant decisions.

There's no way anyone could say the ref. was benevolent one way or the other, to my way of thinking he was more prone to take notice of the exaggerated reactions of Owen,Giggs et al . Vidic was his usual thuggish self and should have walked before he did while Owen trying to rag Jamie like the pr**k that he is then tried to get Carra sent off for trying to escape the embarrassing contact.
As for Ferguson complaining about the ref. being influenced by the crowd??? is he having a laugh - that tactic is used blatantly at old toilet and actively encouraged to the extent that only a limitted number of tickets for away fans are issued and the players come within a breath of getting sent off for intimidating the referee, actually believe it or not some of them have been sent for that very thing! I seriously don't think Ferguson should be in management at his age and with the associated medical issues he has I.e. alcoholism,high blood pressure and advanced dementure to say nothing of his sight and memory problems which are a serious concern in making coherant decisions.

ROLMFHO your obviously on the coke if you think fergie shouldn't be in management.

ROLMFHO your obviously on the coke if you think fergie shouldn't be in management.

I once had a major coke problem, the problem being I could not fit a 2 litre bottle up either of my nostrills

Post this on Redcafe? I dare you to.

Post this on Redcafe? I dare you to.

Put what on redcafe??

ROLMFHO your obviously on the coke if you think fergie shouldn't be in management.

It's been quoted on several occasions that members of the mans' own family have urged him to retire,I don't give a sh*t personally but one day the soft arl bas**rds' gonna keel over and with the replay facility on the TV an all that a sense of dignity is required,then again he's got no dignity now he makes a complete fool of himself waiving his arms about,swearing and jumping up and down even his own staff look embarrassed.

Stuey.

He will still go down as one of the greatest managers of all time.

Regards.

Keith
He will go down.

Why should have Jamie been sent off?

Judas, sorry Owen was...

not on goal,

he would not have had a clear shot on goal if he had got the ball, and the rest of the defence would be back in place.

He knee would have given out if he had carried on.

Ref spot on.

He was ragging Jamie like an arl pensioner at the bingo que, Jamie looked a bit embarrassed that his mate was behaving like a pr**k.

Keith
He will go down.

We all will eventually

Keith
He will go down.

Rumour has it he went down on Christine Ronaldo a few times to ward of Madrid's advances.

Rumour has it he went down on Christine Ronaldo a few times to ward of Madrid's advances.

Didn't Gerrard get the same treatment when he nearly left the club . Luckily for you the manager did a good blow, sorry i mean job of making him stay

Time for you to f**k off Keith.

Rumour has it he went down on Christine Ronaldo a few times to ward of Madrid's advances.

Is that a rumour Daz? I'm sure I saw a photie in the daily star of ladyboy with fergie on the end of his todger and neville first in the queue - sh*t he is one ugly b***ard one of manchesters finest

Didn't Gerrard get the same treatment when he nearly left the club . Luckily for you the manager did a good blow, sorry I mean job of making him stay

That wasn't Rafa it was Jose Mourhino mate and it goes to show where Gerrards loyalties really laid when the special one gave him one of his spcial ones and he still could not turn his head

Time for you to f**k off Keith.

Take a chill pill mate. Me and  RedLFCBlood  are just having a bit of banter.

Really nice to see a sensible post from a rival fan,but on the Jamie Carragher incident i thought it was quite clear ...Owen was mistaking Carra for one of his horses and tried to mount him !    Bet Nando hopes he plays against Ferdinand in the world cup

Can you imagine what it would be like if we played eachother every week . I don't think I would be allowed on your forum . If your comments are to stand up then you could say the same about  Vidic being sent off... Its all ifs and buts but at the end of the day I don't think the result would of been any different

Vidic got two deserved yellows, not the same thing. But cheers for the kind words

Stuey.

He will still go down as one of the greatest managers of all time.

Regards.

Shame he is a bullying, moaning b***ard though isn't it, takes away from his greatness when you see some of his antics on the touchline and the way he carries when he doesn't get his own way!

All of  a sudden its Utd  that looks tired and out of sorts. The heavily relied on Giggs and Scholes looked short of pace,did Ferdinand actually touch the ball or tackle anyone.3 in a row we have shown how to beat them its up to others now to step up to the plate,

All of  a sudden its Utd  that looks tired and out of sorts. The heavily relied on Giggs and Scholes looked short of pace,did Ferdinand actually touch the ball or tackle anyone.3 in a row we have shown how to beat them its up to others now to step up to the plate,

Giggs seems to have a good or bad games these days. Scholes obviously not the player he once was. Both good servants to the club which can't be said by a lot of players these days 

Yes 3 in a row doesn't look good and are record against the top four has been poor over the years. However, fortunately still won the league for the last 3 years so doing something right  .  United won't win the league this year though, hope i'm wrong but just can't see passed Chelsea. Since Ronaldo has gone we just don't seem to have that dimension about our game anymore.

Regards.

Take a chill pill mate. Me and  RedLFCBlood  are just having a bit of banter.

I'm well chilled; in fact after the spanking we handed the Mancs - nothing could agitate me. 

When i wrote "Time for you to f**k off Keith." i should really have put one of these  at the end of the sentence, as in: "Time for you to f**k off Keith"  .......'cause that makes it funny, doesn't it? 

The players you mention in opening your post Giggs and Scholes have been your saviours so many times but are long past their sell by, the fact that they both looked jaded and 10 yards too slow for one of the biggest games of the season is an indication of a lack of judgement by Ferguson and/or management. The quality in depth is not there either and to be honest anyone supporting manUre should be justifiably concerned. The manager is well near retirement some might say overstaying his tenure and has many outside interests - business and pleasure that would stretch a much younger man, once again it looks as though his fixation with the European cup has reached manic levels and it is to the detriment of the club. Not that anyone round here gives a sh*t obviously.

Giggs seems to have a good or bad games these days. Scholes obviously not the player he once was. Both good servants to the club which can't be said by a lot of players these days  

Yes 3 in a row doesn't look good and are record against the top four has been poor over the years. However, fortunately still won the league for the last 3 years so doing something right  .  United won't win the league this year though, hope i'm wrong but just can't see passed Chelsea. Since Ronaldo has gone we just don't seem to have that dimension about our game anymore.

Regards.

And now it is reported that Ferdinand is to be dropped because he too is off the pace or to be more blunt past it, not really a surprise after his humiliating attempts at defending in Sundays annihilation, Vidic too was an embarrassment.

And now it is reported that Ferdinand is to be dropped

Did I just hear you mention Ferdinowned ?

The players you mention in opening your post Giggs and Scholes have been your saviours so many times but are long past their sell by, the fact that they both looked jaded and 10 yards too slow for one of the biggest games of the season is an indication of a lack of judgement by Ferguson and/or management. The quality in depth is not there either and to be honest anyone supporting manUre should be justifiably concerned. The manager is well near retirement some might say overstaying his tenure and has many outside interests - business and pleasure that would stretch a much younger man, once again it looks as though his fixation with the European cup has reached manic levels and it is to the detriment of the club. Not that anyone round here gives a sh*t obviously.And now it is reported that Ferdinand is to be dropped because he too is off the pace or to be more blunt past it, not really a surprise after his humiliating attempts at defending in Sundays annihilation, Vidic too was an embarrassment.

See! the difference with me i know we don't have the quality in debt even though were still on top of you in the league. However, its rich coming from you after all the negatives coming from a lot of your fans. What do you have in debt apart from two world class players in Torres and Gerrard?

Regards.

Did I just hear you mention Ferdinowned ?

How about 'Michael Owened'

What do you have in debt apart from two world class players in Torres and Gerrard?
Regards.

Mascherano, Reina Carragher Johnson Aurelio Lucas Agger Skrtel Aquilani Benayoun Kuyt and not forgetting the legendary goal scoring machine that is Voronin  

See! the difference with me I know we don't have the quality in debt even though were still on top of you in the league. However, its rich coming from you after all the negatives coming from a lot of your fans. What do you have in debt apart from two world class players in Torres and Gerrard?

Regards.

Spot on there keith, we do have a lot of debt thanks to the two muppets.

But we've also got Pepe, Johnson, Carra, Agger, Yossi, Masch, Kuyt, Aquilani to name a few others.

See! the difference with me I know we don't have the quality in debt even though were still on top of you in the league. However, its rich coming from you after all the negatives coming from a lot of your fans. What do you have in debt apart from two world class players in Torres and Gerrard?

Regards.

By debt, i assume you mean 'depth', Keith?...'cause we got plenty of debt.

Having "two world class players" is better than having one, (Rooney, maybe), i suppose.

I'd actually say Reina is a world class keeper, then Macherano is a world Class holding midfielder two more players from our squad that are ranked up there with the best in the world, so all of a sudden contrary to popular belief out side Anfield is that not 4 World Class players ?

See! the difference with me i know we don't have the quality in debt even though were still on top of you in the league. However, its rich coming from you after all the negatives coming from a lot of your fans. What do you have in debt apart from two world class players in Torres and Gerrard?

Regards.

We also got 3 points on the weekend, dickhead.

We also got 3 points on the weekend, dickhead.

Quite probably the best post in this thread.

By debt, I assume you mean 'depth', Keith?...'cause we got plenty of debt.

Having "two world class players" is better than having one, (Rooney, maybe), I suppose.

Sorry about the debt /depth . I was typing to fast

We also got 3 points on the weekend, dickhead.

Another young scum bag who has to revert to this! Well even United have them so will do what i do with them?. Ingore you

Quite probably the best post in this thread.

2 young scum bags from Australia, say no more.

2 young scum bags from Australia, say no more.

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Regards.

Reina - World Class goalkeeper
Carragher - World class centre half, back to his best on Sunday.
Mascherano - World Class holding midfielder.
Gerrard - World class midfielder
Torres - Best striker in the world at the moment.

5 world class players for you there.

Don't forget Dirk Kuyt and Benayoun

Reina - World Class goalkeeper
Carragher - World class centre half, back to his best on Sunday.
Mascherano - World Class holding midfielder.
Gerrard - World class midfielder
Torres - Best striker in the world at the moment.

5 world class players for you there.

Reina having a good season, world class??
Carragher? On reading some of your  members post, they disagree
Mascherano?? Improving all the time. Not world class yet!! though
Gerrard? He's without doubt one of the best.
Torres? One of the best strikers in the world. ( certainly top three )

Regards.

Don't forget Dirk Kuyt and Benayoun

Wouldn't call Kuyt world class at all to be honest.

Benayoun is probably one of the most under rated players in the league, very very skilful and useful to us but I don't think he'd go in the world class bracket either.

Reina having a good season, world class??
Carragher? On reading some of your  members post, they disagree
Mascherano?? Improving all the time. Not world class yet!! though
Gerrard? He's without doubt one of the best.
Torres? One of the best strikers in the world. ( certainly top three )

Regards.

Your bias is getting relatively annoying.

Reina has consistently been one of the best 'keepers in the world for the last four years. If you disagree with that, then you really don't know what you're talking about.

Carra when on-form IS world-class, but most of the time this season he hasn't looked particularly great. Hopefully he's back to form now after keeping Rooney and Berbatov in his pocket.

Mascherano is possibly the best defensive midfielder in the world. Everyone apart from Mancs admit it, and I really have no idea why. Can you explain why he's not world-class?

Gerrard and Torres, well. I'd say Torres is THE best striker in the world at the minute, and Gerrard needs no words. He's not world-class, he's a class above.

2 young scum bags from Australia, say no more.

WTF

I'm 46, From Liverpool, England, am I qualified enough for you.

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Don't forget Dirk Kuyt and Benayoun

You better take a look at the Dirk Kuyt Player Thread  and take those rose tinted classes you have on. Wake up and smell the coffee.

Regards.

Reina having a good season, world class??
Carragher? On reading some of your  members post, they disagree
Mascherano?? Improving all the time. Not world class yet!! though
Gerrard? He's without doubt one of the best.
Torres? One of the best strikers in the world. ( certainly top three )

Regards.

Reina is world class, he's been smashing club records since he joined. Second only to Iker IMO.

Carragher is up there certainly. He's been in poor form but two or three bad games doesn't make him sh*t. And in all honesty I don't really care if some knee jerking Liverpool fans on here think he's past it or whatever. He kept one of the world's best strikers quiet for 90 minutes and his days are apparently "numbered".....

Mascherano is definately, along with Essien, in that world class bracket. He's got the energy, determination and passion and he's the best tackling midfielder in the world at the moment. If he can develop other areas of his game he'll be even better but even now he's up there with the best.

Liverpool Football Club are not a two man club. As Paul Tomkins said if you follow that logic then a "no man team" beat you last season at Anfield and a "one man team" beat you on Sunday. You must be F***ing sh*t then.

Reina having a good season, world class??
Carragher? On reading some of your  members post, they disagree
Mascherano?? Improving all the time. Not world class yet!! though
Gerrard? He's without doubt one of the best.
Torres? One of the best strikers in the world. ( certainly top three )

Regards.

Reina having been the most consistent keeper in the prem collecting golden glove after golden glove, world class

Mascherano?? Best holding midfielder in the world and thats why Barca want him, world class !

Carragher?Had a poor start to the season but has shown form is temporary class is permanent, world class

It would be like saying because Utd were poor the other day that Rio and Vidic are not a world class pairing no ?

WTF

I'm 46, From Liverpool, England, am I qualified enough for you.

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ok . I can take the banter but not the sh!t

Reina having a good season, world class??
Carragher? On reading some of your  members post, they disagree
Mascherano?? Improving all the time. Not world class yet!! though
Gerrard? He's without doubt one of the best.
Torres? One of the best strikers in the world. ( certainly top three )

Reina, yes definetly world class, 218 appearances and 108 clean sheets for Liverpool, won the golden glove 3 seasons in a row.
Carragher, been a legend forever, definitely better than the donkey himself, Rio Ferdianand, I wouldn't be suprised if Capello dropped Rio and pleaded Jamie to come back.
Mascherano, AHEM. Captain of Argentina, absolute animal and throws himself on the line week in, week out.
Gerrard, THE BEST.
Torres, Top 3? Who would you say is better than him? At the moment. I can't see anyone better than El Nino. 80 Percent fit and made Ferdy and Vidic look like Amateurs.

RedLFCBlood
As i don't wear rose tinted glass's like some of the members on here, you're more than welcome to name some of the United team and i will compare them.

Regards.

ok . I can take the banter but not the sh!t

But come on, your gonna get the sh*t, It's a Liverpool Forum, and your a Utd fan. If I went to RedCafe I'd expect I expect to be vilified.
We just beat you, so we are going to be on a high, and have the braggng rights, (for now), sorry accept it or keep a low profile for a bit.

Torres, Top 3? Who would you say is better than him? At the moment. I can't see anyone better than El Nino. 80 Percent fit and made Ferdy and Vidic look like Amateurs.

Personally i don't know a better striker than Torres at the moment. However, that's just my opinion, others will differ.

But come on, your gonna get the sh*t, It's a Liverpool Forum, and your a Utd fan. If I went to RedCafe I'd expect I expect to be vilified.
We just beat you, so we are going to be on a high, and have the braggng rights, (for now), sorry accept it or keep a low profile for a bit.

Couldn't agree more with you, I except the banter, its great reading, but come on! Kuyt world class? your having a giraffe

2 young scum bags from Australia, say no more.

Like i said earlier: "Time for you to f**k off Keith."

Like I said earlier: "Time for you to f**k off Keith."

If you can't take it! don't give it!

Regards.

ok . I can take the banter but not the sh!t

Of course that's how you would interpret anything that was a bit too close for comfort you're clutching at straws and as the season progresses and your patched up team falls apart just as your manager is now, the posting will degenerate further into MANiC ramblings and hysterical spelling mistakes.

    Gerards

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