What if Jürgen binned the lot of em against Leicester? Are we prepared to lose?

I said in the match thread that I wondered if some off them were looking for Christmas off.

So no in this instance I'd have them training Christmas Day, play exactly the same team and dare them to f**k up again.

See I like this idea and it is the 'luxury' we have this season if we're completely honest with ourselves.

If they can't perform when confronted with challenges such as that then you can be confident in not selecting them in the future.

Some will see this as frustrating but honestly in time it might work out really well for Jürgen's future plans, but as many have already said it might simply not be possible in the Jan window. It's going to be a really interesting summer for us, with the journos already reporting we have money to spend (hoping it's not £1.56 like but still it sounds more encouraging than it has before).

I was thinking about this earlier, and I reckon I've just about got is sussed out if Jürgen wanted to make a real statement. It may arguably make us slightly less likely to win (I don't think it would), but I reckon it'd be worth it both to send out a message, AND to have a look at some alternative players. By my reckoning ONLY Henderson should keep his spot, so how about TEN changes to the starting line up against Leicester? Go on Jürgen, just f****** do it:


                                         Mignolet


          Randall          Lovren (if fit)     Toure           Smith



           Ibe              Teixera         Henderson         Milner   


                              Benteke        Origi



 There, TEN changes from the starting line up against Watford. To my mind there's not a fan at Anfield who would criticise him even if Leicester rolled into town and turned us over. Lets give some other lads a go.       
 

Bit radical Mick, I'll give them all the opportunities till the Jan transfer window opens.

I like the idea though of no one is safe and we are willing to listen to offers, may just shake them up a bit.

I know what being prepared to lose means...

Great idea for a team low on confidence at the moment, drop the lot of them. Genius that, then when it looks like a bunch of fringe players that haven't played together for a while people will wonder why.

Well you do now as I've just explained it to you, you're welcome.

As for the "great idea" bit, it is a bit out there I must admit. The issue though against Watford wasn't one of confidence it was of desire (in my opinion obviously), both on a collective and individual level. And in fairness most of the changes I'm advocating (albeit slightly tongue in cheek) don't involve "fringe" players. Three of those "fringe" players took part in our defeat at Watford from off the bench, and two of those three we bought for a combined fee of 43 million quid, hardly unknowns. Jordan Ibe is hardly "fringe " either, nor is Simon Mignolet, Dejan Lovren or James Milner. Toure and the three young kids are "fringe" I'll give you that, but they can't do any worse than the shower on Sunday.

If having said all of that those on Sunday are as you say "lacking in confidence", I wonder do you think that makes it more likely,, less likely or no difference whether the team would be improved by adding players whose confidence level was normal? It's an interesting one.

I was thinking about this earlier, and I reckon I've just about got is sussed out if Jürgen wanted to make a real statement. It may arguably make us slightly less likely to win (I don't think it would), but I reckon it'd be worth it both to send out a message, AND to have a look at some alternative players. By my reckoning ONLY Henderson should keep his spot, so how about TEN changes to the starting line up against Leicester? Go on Jürgen, just f****** do it:


                                         Mignolet


          Randall          Lovren (if fit)     Toure           Smith



           Ibe              Teixera         Henderson         Milner   


                              Benteke        Origi



 There, TEN changes from the starting line up against Watford. To my mind there's not a fan at Anfield who would criticise him even if Leicester rolled into town and turned us over. Lets give some other lads a go.       
 

I'd agree with this happening, looks like a good team too, I've read through the forum, most of the changes Klopp made when Watford outclassed/out-bossed us were changes everyone was clamouring for. Change the goalie etc. Then when it failed most of the people just miraculously and conveniently forgot that they were going on about that very team or close to it.
I think Klopp will start putting his foot down now, players will respect it, he can motivate and keep moral up but there needs to be discipline and that's good for everyone involved.
The initial period of getting to know players and people at the club is transitioning into rules about what will be required on a consistent basis week to week (or you're out.)
Working hard is how Liverpool achieved any of the honours we did, I'm still really confused how non of our players can just keep hold of the ball or compose themselves and do the simple things (Texeira is good at this). Technically we look terrible. Of course this is amplified because of the last game but even when we are winning we just give the other team the ball so cheaply.

I would imagine/expect a far easier game against Leicester than Watford, not because they're an easier team or because I expect a result, but simply because I expect them to attack. I expect them to take the game to Liverpool which plays into our counter attacking style. We might still lose but either way I think we'll see a better performance. I also don't expect wholesale changes, as tempting as that might be.

The thing is Mick, it wasnt individual player error. If one, two or there players are gash you could drop them. But if its a whole team underperform (to put it lightly), you better think whats the cause.

Yes, if we had 2 top class 11-a side teams you could switch between them as you will. As it is, its Henderson and you have to add to your team some other "not so shocking" performers in Origi, Moreno, Clyne and Lovren (if fit), you gotta add strong mentalities like Lucas and Milner not fussed about about last performance, and find the rest.

My team for Leicester:

               a keeper

Clyne Lovren Sakho Moreno
          Lucas Hendo
  Milner(Ibe)         Couts
            Origi  Benteke

Cou in for Benteke and I don't mind the team that much

I do like the idea of a massive shake up and a kick up the arse for the fancy Dan mentality.

I do think though, after calming down (slowly) that we need a couple of solid dependables for the others to look to in a crisis.

Milner is an automatic start for me, and I'd add Toure because of his experience and calm (that's inevitable anyway given the injury situation). I think there's room for a young kid or two, because some of young lads are desperate to show what they can do and fearless enthusiasm can work wonders.

Fear factor players like Firmino,  and Can I'd leave out for now.  (I'd drop Can for his 'slap in the face antics alone).

I don't think it's outlandish.  We need players who will live and breathe our colours, or we'll be relegation candidates before too long.  Scrap, fight, battle, bully, and then you've earned the right to play.  We are too bloody nice!

What if we binned them off and won?

Chose the side based on the response in training and the players that fit the gameplan to beat Leicster. Rashness is never the answer.

If we binned all the recognised first team squad and played all our younger players we would probably beat Leicester.One thing for sure we would get 100% effort from the young lads,they would put the senior players to shame.

See I like this idea and it is the 'luxury' we have this season if we're completely honest with ourselves.

If they can't perform when confronted with challenges such as that then you can be confident in not selecting them in the future.

You're right.  We won't be winning the league this season.  We (most likely) won't be getting into a Champions League spot.  Fans excitement, if we're being honest, is probably now aimed at the cup competitions.

It would be better if we could salvage a few players out of this god knows how much we've spent.  Let's see which players really are spineless and which have merely become spineless by association.

I'd imagine Klopp is learning far more about certain players in the last two games than he did against Chelsea and City.

If we binned all the recognised first team squad and played all our younger players we would probably beat Leicester.

First of all I don't believe that's a probable at all.

And then if we get hammered - then what.  Which person at Anfield looks like the muppet?

I've probably called for something similar in the past but it's usually one of the things approaching the end game of a manager.  Klopp has the luxury of not having brought in a single one of these players - therefore at present their lack of ability does not reflect on him.  He doesn't need to alienate them just yet.

You're right.  We won't be winning the league this season.  We (most likely) won't be getting into a Champions League spot.  Fans excitement, if we're being honest, is probably now aimed at the cup competitions.

It would be better if we could salvage a few players out of this god knows how much we've spent.  Let's see which players really are spineless and which have merely become spineless by association.

I'd imagine Klopp is learning far more about certain players in the last two games than he did against Chelsea and City.

I do not believe it will happen either and there is no way I would hold Klopp responsible for players that he was not responsible for signing.JD I am not criticising you but you once told me not to take the forum too seriously so I attempted to do that in my post.

Let's only hope whoever plays in goal against Leicester on Boxing day, does not hand out any more "Christmas presents" to the opposition. That is half the problem as we all know.

BTW perhaps the solution is to bin both keepers.

Let's only hope whoever plays in goal against Leicester on Boxing day, does not hand out any more "Christmas presents" to the opposition. That is half the problem as we all know.

Is right ... and the first problem to get sorted David.

BTW perhaps the solution is to bin both keepers.

Until the Watford game though, Bogdan had looked very competent in the appearances he'd made. Claiming crosses, decent distribution, solid shot stopping. His head dropped straight after the clanger though and he never fully recovered his confidence.

I think he can still be a fairly good back up keeper, but definitely not our no.1, same as Migs shouldn't be our no.1.

OP has had too much gin without the tonic

Well you do now as I've just explained it to you, you're welcome.

Oh dear...

We all know if we "bin the lot", Enrique would still be no closer to starting a game...ever

I would have liked to see a team that blew off city/Chelsea...hmm, But those same players were on the pitch against Watford !!
I am not for radical changes ,(as in the first post) but some has to be done due to form /plan or injury
 whoever Klopp chooses lets hope they surprise us all with a great performance, I like to think positive, as I did last game,        Just hope they get it right this time

YNWA

BTW perhaps the solution is to bin both keepers.

Play last man back? Works for my 5 a side team.