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      Re: Pre-Season Matches: Summer 2023
      Reply #391: Aug 03, 2023 08:26:27 am
      I've never understood the argument against net spend. That's how you measure investment properly. Without it, owners, in any business, could sell off all the valuable assets, rake in a load of money, then spend 10% of it and go "look, we're investing!", when actually they are asset stripping.

      FSG are not asset stripping, but net spend measures this. Your measure doesn't, and is effectively meaningless.

      (Deep down you know this, which is why you simultaneously make a different argument - that you only look at the quality of the players and ignore the money altogether - "fees are irrelevant" etc)

      The club works to a self sufficient model - so compared to some other clubs the net spend won’t be as high

      But it also never shows the full picture

      The Coutinho transfer was a prime example

      We sold him and then brought in two world class players - the squad actually improved significantly yet net spend was zero - so for some they would use that as a sign of the club not investing etc

      What the low net spend does show is that we have sold players who are no longer needed for good prices and the money has been used to improve the squad

      I can never understand why people think it’s such a crime to run that way

      It’s not going to change - the club will continue to follow the same model

      We won’t be always buying every single player that we need in the squad we will also supplement the squad with youth players being promoted up

      People are crying out for a right back whilst we have a very good young player who has been developed though the academy - why can’t we give him a go , same with a CB

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      Reply #392: Aug 03, 2023 09:02:37 am

      https://www.football365.com/news/transfers-premier-league-five-year-net-spend-man-utd-man-city

      So

      Arsenal
      Man Utd
      Spurs
      Chelsea
      Newcastle
      Villa


      All above both ourselves and Man City over the last 5 years

      Which teams are more successful


      I could be a tw*t like you and post last years Table but won’t 😂
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      Reply #393: Aug 03, 2023 09:09:08 am
      I could be a tw*t like you and post last years Table but won’t 😂
      You could but how many teams in the table get a trophy ?

      You claimed that the most successful teams are at the top of the net spend table

      Facts shows you’re talking bollocks as usual
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      Reply #394: Aug 03, 2023 09:50:13 am
      I could be a tw*t like you and post last years Table but won’t 😂


      Is that the one topped by Chelsea who won the square root of F**k all?
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      Reply #395: Aug 03, 2023 11:42:51 am
      You could but how many teams in the table get a trophy ?

      You claimed that the most successful teams are at the top of the net spend table

      Facts shows you’re talking bollocks as usual

      Yeah City, PSG, Real, Bayern spend F**k all like LFC 🤣

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      Reply #396: Aug 03, 2023 11:45:00 am
      Is that the one topped by Chelsea who won the square root of F**k all?

      Yeah they have won F**k all in the last decade by spending nothing 😊

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      Reply #397: Aug 03, 2023 11:47:30 am
      Yeah they have won F**k all in the last decade by spending nothing 😊



      Ah so now we're going back to the last decade? ;)

      Sorry I thought you were asking about last season.
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      Reply #398: Aug 03, 2023 11:48:24 am
      Not sure why people have forgotten our recent success came from spending big from the sale of Coutinho.

      Maybe I dreamt that bit 😁
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      Reply #399: Aug 03, 2023 11:49:31 am
      Ah so now we're going back to the last decade? ;)

      Sorry I thought you were asking about last season.

      Does it matter point is still the same - their success came from spending on a good squad same as us as the post above.

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      Reply #400: Aug 03, 2023 11:49:37 am
      Yeah City, PSG, Real, Bayern spend F**k all like LFC 🤣



      Bayern Net Spend last five years pretty much matches ours.

      The others I just ignore as two are run by oil states and the other spends money it doesn't have
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      Reply #401: Aug 03, 2023 11:54:48 am
      Bayern Net Spend last five years pretty much matches ours.

      The others I just ignore as two are run by oil states and the other spends money it doesn't have

      Bayern net spend is double their bundesliga rivals 😊
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      Reply #402: Aug 03, 2023 12:00:05 pm
      Bayern net spend is double their bundesliga rivals 😊


      True enough. And probably a bad example considering how far ahead they are in that league.

      I'm done for now on this one just you initially brought up last year's table but seem to want to discuss last 5/10 years just a bette debate if we know exactly what we're talking about.

      Anyway wrong thread and another we've all ended up derailing so I'll leave it there for now at least in this thread. ;D
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      Reply #403: Aug 03, 2023 12:01:51 pm
      Yeah City, PSG, Real, Bayern spend F**k all like LFC 🤣

      Didn’t City make a profit last season in the transfer market

      And aren’t they below us in terms of Net Spend over the last 5 years

      7) Liverpool: £-207.3m
      23/24: £-84.21m
      22/23: £-48.38m (5th)
      21/22: £-49.1m (2nd)
      20/21: £-57.14m (3rd)
      19/20: £32.14m (Champions)

       
      8) Manchester City: £-198.38m
      23/24: £10.79m
      22/23: £9.97m (Champions)
      21/22: £-38.55m (Champions)
      20/21: £-93.5m (Champions)
      19/20: £-81.9m (2nd)

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      Reply #404: Aug 03, 2023 12:04:05 pm
      Not sure why people have forgotten our recent success came from spending big from the sale of Coutinho.

      Maybe I dreamt that bit 😁

      How many players did Coutinho sale buy ?

      Robbo
      Allison
      TAA
      Gini
      Fabinho
      Henderson
      Milner
      Jota
      Mo
      Bobby
      Mane
      VVD
      Konate
      Thiago
      Taki
      Ox
      Keita


      All players that helped the club win
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      Reply #405: Aug 03, 2023 12:08:40 pm
      Didn’t City make a profit last season in the transfer market

      And aren’t they below us in terms of Net Spend over the last 5 years

      7) Liverpool: £-207.3m
      23/24: £-84.21m
      22/23: £-48.38m (5th)
      21/22: £-49.1m (2nd)
      20/21: £-57.14m (3rd)
      19/20: £32.14m (Champions)

       
      8) Manchester City: £-198.38m
      23/24: £10.79m
      22/23: £9.97m (Champions)
      21/22: £-38.55m (Champions)
      20/21: £-93.5m (Champions)
      19/20: £-81.9m (2nd)



      Are you F***ing thick?

      You believe City transfer dealings are all legit in what they state 🤣🤣

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      Reply #406: Aug 03, 2023 12:14:28 pm
      Are you F***ing thick?

      You believe City transfer dealings are all legit in what they state 🤣🤣

      Whilst they have been accused of over inflating their sponsorship income their transfers are not being

      They have sold a lot of young players and used the money to bring in others


      Is it that hard to admit that you’re wrong with this claim

      “Evidence would suggest otherwise, why do the most successful teams always top the net spend list?“

      As the evidences shows that the most successful teams in recent years aren’t at the top of the net spend list

      And even going back 10 years it’s Man Utd at the top - are they the most successful in that period , nope

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      Reply #407: Aug 03, 2023 12:17:29 pm
      Whilst they have been accused of over inflating their sponsorship income their transfers are not being

      They have sold a lot of young players and used the money to bring in others


      Is it that hard to admit that you’re wrong with this claim

      “Evidence would suggest otherwise, why do the most successful teams always top the net spend list?“

      As the evidences shows that the most successful teams in recent years aren’t at the top of the net spend list

      And even going back 10 years it’s Man Utd at the top - are they the most successful in that period , nope



      Whilst they have been accused of over inflating their sponsorship income their transfers are not being

      They have sold a lot of young players and used the money to bring in others


      Is it that hard to admit that you’re wrong with this claim

      “Evidence would suggest otherwise, why do the most successful teams always top the net spend list?“

      As the evidences shows that the most successful teams in recent years aren’t at the top of the net spend list

      And even going back 10 years it’s Man Utd at the top - are they the most successful in that period , nope



      If you can prove to me all their transfers are legit I will say I’m wrong 😊

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      Reply #408: Aug 03, 2023 12:23:47 pm
      If you can prove to me all their transfers are legit I will say I’m wrong 😊

      What is it that won’t be legit about the transfers when there are multiple clubs involved ? Are they all helping Man City falsify how much they are selling players for

      So when Chelsea bought sterling for £50 mil it’s a lie or when Arsenal bought Jesus and Zinchenko for around £80mil it’s a lie 🤷‍♂️



      The only thing that’s consistent about you is ranting
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      Reply #409: Aug 03, 2023 11:17:53 pm
      Didnt see the Bayern game. Is it true we played Jones at DM? ;D, that is a message from Jürgen to the owners! "Get me a DM!"

      Don't see us playing Jones there once the season starts, even if we've not signed Lavia by then. MacAlister will play there I think. He may even start there if we do sign Lavia, with Jürgen bringing the latter through gently. Jürgen clearly wants a DM asap though. Hopefully he gets one this week.
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      Reply #410: Aug 03, 2023 11:25:06 pm
      Didnt see the Bayern game. Is it true we played Jones at DM? ;D, that is a message from Jürgen to the owners! "Get me a DM!"

      Don't see us playing Jones there once the season starts, even if we've not signed Lavia by then. MacAlister will play there I think. He may even start there if we do sign Lavia, with Jürgen bringing the latter through gently. Jürgen clearly wants a DM asap though. Hopefully he gets one this week.

      He played there against Leicester as well.

      And I hate to break to to you but he'll start there next weekend if Thiago hadn't made some sort of miraculous recovery.
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      Reply #411: Aug 03, 2023 11:35:05 pm
      He played there against Leicester as well.

      And I hate to break to to you but he'll start there next weekend if Thiago hadn't made some sort of miraculous recovery.

      Be very surprised if he does, but we'll see.
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      Reply #412: Aug 03, 2023 11:44:17 pm
      Be very surprised if he does, but we'll see.

      I'd bet my house on it.

      Thiago not fit and even if we did manage to get Lavia Jürgen wouldn't throw him straight in.
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      Reply #413: Aug 03, 2023 11:49:12 pm
      You could but how many teams in the table get a trophy ?

      You claimed that the most successful teams are at the top of the net spend table

      Facts shows you’re talking bollocks as usual

      Have a look at squad sizes and values. Liverpool squad value now below 800m. Arsenal and City over 1B each.
      Liverpool with the smallest squad in the league and 10 players less than the other Top 6 teams not called City.

      Not in a great position heading into the new season.

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