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      Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Aug 16, 2008 09:58:13 pm
      LFC League Performance compared with last season

      There is an season analysis page on the website at http://www.anfield-online.co.uk/stats/lfc-season-comparison.html which compares our performance over time with the last 5 seasons.  You can find last season's Premiership results here http://www.anfield-online.co.uk/fixtures/2008/premiership/

      * Stoke replace Birmingham
      * West Brom replace Reading
      * Hull replace Derby County

      LFC Performance against clubs

      FixtureLast SeasonThis SeasonPoints Change (Goals for change/Goals against change)
      Sunderland (A)2-01-00 (-1/0)
      Middlesbrough (H)3-22-10 (-1/-1)
      Aston Villa (A)2-10-0-2 (-2/-1)
      Man Utd (H)0-12-1+3 (+2/0)
      Stoke * (H)0-00-00 (0/0)
      Everton (A)2-12-00 (0/-1)
      Man City (A)0-03-2+2 (+3/+2)
      Wigan (H)1-13-2+2 (2/1)
      Chelsea (A)0-01-0+2 (+1/0)
      Portsmouth (H)4-11-00 (-3/-1)
      Spurs (A)2-01-2-3 (-1/2)
      West Brom * (H)2-13-00 (1/-1)
      Bolton (A)3-12-00 (-1/-1)
      Fulham (H)2-00-0-2 (-2/0)
      West Ham (H)4-00-0-2 (-4/0)
      Blackburn (A)0-03-1+2 (+3/+1)
      Hull (H)6-02-2-2 (-4/+2)
      Arsenal (A)1-11-10 (0/0)
      Bolton (H)4-03-00 (+1/+1)
      Newcastle (A)3-05-10 (+2/+1)
      Stoke (A)2-20-00 (-2/-2)
      Everton (H)1-01-1-2 (0/+1)
      Wigan (A)1-01-1-2 (0/+1)
      Chelsea (H)1-12-0+2 (+1/-1)
      Portsmouth (A)0-03-2+2 (+3/+2)
      Man City (H)1-01-1-2 (0/+1)
      Middlesbrough (A)1-10-2-1 (-1/+1)
      Sunderland (H)3-02-00 (-1/0)
      Man Utd (A)0-34-1+3 (+4/-2)
      Overall0 (+2/+5)



      LFC Performance over time

      Match #Last SeasonThis SeasonPoints Change (Goals for change/Goals against change)
      1Villa (A)2-1Sunderland (A)1-00 (-1/-1)
      2Chelsea (H) 1-1Middlesbrough (H)2-1+2 (+1/0)
      3Sunderland (A)2-0Aston Villa (A)0-0-2 (-2/0)
      4Derby (H)6-0Man Utd (H)2-10 (-4/+1)
      5Portsmouth (A)0-0Stoke (H)0-00 (0/0)
      6Birmingham (H)0-0Everton (A)2-03 (2/0)
      7Wigan (A)1-0Man City (A)3-20 (2/2)
      8Spurs (H)2-2Wigan (H)3-22 (1/0)
      9Everton (A)2-1Chelsea (A)1-00 (-1/-1)
      10Arsenal (H)1-1Portsmouth (H)1-03 (0/-1)
      11Blackburn (A)0-0Spurs (A)1-2-1 (+1/+2)
      12Fulham (H)2-0West Brom (H)3-00 (+1/0)
      13Newcastle (A)3-0Bolton (A)2-00 (-1/0)
      14Bolton (H)4-0Fulham (H)0-0-2 (-4/0)
      15Reading (A)1-3West Ham (H)0-01 (-1/-3)
      16Man Utd (H)0-1Blackburn (A)3-1+3 (+3/0)
      17Portsmouth (H)4-1Hull (H)2-2-2 (-2/1)
      18Derby (A)2-1Arsenal (A)1-1-2 (-1/0)
      19Man City(A)0-0Bolton (H)3-0+2 (3/0)
      20Wigan (H)1-1Newcastle (A)5-1+2 (+4/-1)
      21Middlesbrough (A)1-1Stoke (A)0-00 (-1/-1)
      22Aston Villa (H)2-2Everton (H)1-10 (-1/-1)
      23West Ham (A)0-1Wigan (A)1-1+1 (+1/0)
      24Sunderland (H)3-0Chelsea (H)2-00 (-1/0)
      25Chelsea (A)0-0Portsmouth (A)3-2+2 (+3/+2)
      26Middlesbrough (H)3-2Man City (H)1-1+2 (-2/-1)
      27Bolton (A)3-1Middlesbrough (A)0-2-3 (-3/+2)
      28West Ham (H)4-0Sunderland (H)2-00 (-2/0)
      29Newcastle (H)3-0Man Utd (A)4-10 (+1/+1)
      Overall+5 (-4/+1)


      « Last Edit: Mar 17, 2009 01:05:35 am by JD »
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #1: Aug 23, 2008 06:13:35 pm
      Over time we are now 2 points better - with 1 less goal scored and 1 less conceded.

      Comparing actual fixtures we are identical to this time last season.
      « Last Edit: Aug 23, 2008 06:21:38 pm by ayrton77 »
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #2: Aug 23, 2008 06:35:49 pm
      Good statistics JD, lets  keep on winning scoring loads of goals and not conceding many ,if any at all.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #3: Sep 01, 2008 02:30:22 am
      Season comparison by clubs (-2 points to last season)

      Over time (no change in points total)
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #4: Sep 01, 2008 08:45:34 am
      We will do better this season.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #5: Sep 01, 2008 08:35:18 pm
      its just disappointing the way we are playing at the moment, pre season looked so promising but the way i look at it is at the end of the season you look at the table and you've lost drawn and won some, last season we played really well till was it November and everything went so wrong and after that with our confidence up we went 15 games unbeaten, so hopefully this is our bad patch and its upwards from now on, look at how spurs are doing makes you feel a lot better.   
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #6: Sep 14, 2008 01:38:28 am
      Updated.

      Like for like match performance we are now a point better off, although we are scoring less but also conceding less.

      Time comparison shows we are were we were last season after 4 games - on 10 points.

      Last season, in our next 10 fixtures we drew 5 and won 5. 
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #7: Sep 14, 2008 05:27:33 pm
      Ok we have 10 points like we had last season, but this time we have a million percent more confidence and a chance to gather more momentum having no international break to disrupt it.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #8: Sep 21, 2008 02:18:24 pm
      Updated.

      Performance after 5 games identical to last season in terms of points but scored 6 less goals.

      Performance against clubs, still one point better off and no change in goal difference.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #9: Oct 09, 2008 08:55:14 am
      Updated.

      Performance over time and performance against clubs we are up 3 points after 7 games.

      Suggesting a possible improvement of around 15 points this season.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #10: Oct 09, 2008 11:41:15 am
      Updated.

      Performance over time and performance against clubs we are up 3 points after 7 games.

      Suggesting a possible improvement of around 15 points this season.

      I think if we did we'd probably be champions, especially if we take a few more points off the other "big guns".
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      Reply #11: Oct 09, 2008 12:24:51 pm
      Great start, 3 points more than last season which is a good strat to our season :)
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #12: Oct 26, 2008 06:36:54 pm
      Updated.

      5 points more than this time last season.

      But 7 points better off compared to the same fixtures last time around. 
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      Reply #13: Oct 28, 2008 06:39:17 pm
      Great post! It's useful to see which games we have improved on.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #14: Oct 28, 2008 06:58:59 pm
      Great post this. Good to see the stats show the obvious improvement in the team's menality this season with the never say die attitude and greater emphasis on attack. A similar result against Pourtsmouth as last season will be welcome come the final whistle tomorrow. ;)
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #15: Oct 30, 2008 08:01:50 pm
      Updated.

      After 10 games we are 7 points better off compared to the same games last season, and 8 points better off after 10 games.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #16: Oct 30, 2008 09:12:51 pm
      This post is a really good idea mate.

      Top Marks.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #17: Nov 01, 2008 09:09:24 pm
      Updated.

      Spurs join Aston Villa as 2 of only 11 teams to improve their result against us this season.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #18: Nov 08, 2008 02:12:09 am
      2008/2009 season
      Won 8, drew 2, lost 1.
      Points - 26
      Goals scored - 16
      Goals conceded - 8
      Home : Won :  4
                 Drew : 1
                 Lost :  0
      Away : Won : 4
                 Drew : 1
                 Lost : 1

      2007/2008 season
      Won 5, drew 6, lost 0.
      Points - 21
      Goals scored - 17
      Goals conceded - 6
      Home : Won :  1
                 Drew : 4
                 Lost :  0
      Away : Won : 4
                 Drew : 2
                 Lost : 0

      We are better off by 5 points this season that last season after 11 games. I'll not consider the goals we scored and conceded cause last season's 6 goals against Derby surely helped upped the stats. We scored 1 goal less and conceded 4 goals more.
      Our home record now is much more better. Winning 4 games and drawing once while we won once and drew 4 last season. Our away form is almost similar.

      The difference? We have been top/ joint top for 9 games now since the Middlesbrough game. Last season we were only top for 1 week.

      So yes, we are improving!
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      Reply #19: Nov 08, 2008 06:36:06 am
      it shows that unbeaten runs dont really count for much when you are drawing to many games.  losing a match is not such a big problem if we continue to turn last seasons draws into wins
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #20: Nov 09, 2008 01:34:18 pm
      Thread updated.

      29 points after 12 games.

      Word of Caution: 2002/03 - after 12 games we were on 30 points.

      Finished 5th with 64 points.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #21: Nov 09, 2008 01:35:23 pm
      Word of Caution: 2002/03 - after 12 games we were on 30 points.

      Finished 5th with 64 points.

      That's the spirit! ;)
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #22: Nov 09, 2008 01:37:17 pm
      I think its fair to say that this squad wont do what the 02/03 squad done. 34 points from 26 games wow  :f_doh:
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #23: Nov 09, 2008 01:37:30 pm
      Word of Caution: 2002/03 - after 12 games we were on 30 points.

      Finished 5th with 64 points.

      After our 12th game that season from November 9th we went on the following run.

      Lost to Middlesbrough
      Drew with Sunderland
      Lost to Fulham
      Lost to the Mancs
      Lost to Charlton
      Lost to Fulham (again)
      Drew with Everton
      Drew with Blackburn
      Drew with Arsenal
      Lost to Newcastle
      Drew with Villa

      Horrific.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #24: Nov 09, 2008 04:04:44 pm
      After our 12th game that season from November 9th we went on the following run.

      Lost to Middlesbrough
      Drew with Sunderland
      Lost to Fulham
      Lost to the Mancs
      Lost to Charlton
      Lost to Fulham (again)
      Drew with Everton
      Drew with Blackburn
      Drew with Arsenal
      Lost to Newcastle
      Drew with Villa

      Horrific.

      Woah that's relegation form that run of results!
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #25: Nov 09, 2008 04:45:41 pm
      That's where we dropped all the points. 28 points dropped there.

      But the difference? the Liverpool team in 2002/2003 didn't have this bunch of players :)
      I guess Sami, Jamie and Stevie are the only ones left from the 'relegation run'

      If i was right, i think we won 8 and drew 4 after 12 games that season.
      That gives us 28 points. So at the moment, we are better off by 1 point.
      « Last Edit: Nov 10, 2008 12:07:26 pm by Ad »
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      Reply #26: Nov 15, 2008 03:58:19 pm
      Updated. Still going strong.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #27: Nov 17, 2008 01:06:06 pm
      Intresting to see at this stage last season we had 28 points scored 22 conceeded 6. Torres had scored 5. We also scored 22 after 13 games this season have conceeded 8 with Nando again on 5. Big difference is Kuyty doubling his tally from last season with his 6 goals.

      On a downer is Voronin had 3 goals at this stage while Keane has only 2  :o
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #28: Nov 17, 2008 01:08:57 pm
      On a downer is Voronin had 3 goals at this stage while Keane has only 2  :o

      Only about £20 million difference in price.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #29: Nov 17, 2008 04:02:54 pm
      Another difference? At least Keane has a decent hair cut!
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #30: Dec 02, 2008 09:20:49 am
      Season Comparison updated (first post in this thread).

      As you can see our performance against the same clubs is back down to zero after the last two draws.

      The improvements in our results against United, Chelsea, Wigan and Man City have been wiped out by getting worse results against Aston Villa, Tottenham, Fulham and West Ham.

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      Reply #31: Dec 06, 2008 05:41:03 pm
      wt, we were actually 4:0 against West Ham last season? How the hxll did we not score last game!!
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #32: Dec 06, 2008 09:34:51 pm
      Comparison stats updated.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #33: Jan 02, 2009 01:49:32 am
      First of all I have updated the first post in this thread.

      But got some pretty shitty news.

      Our season's doesn't seem to be that much better at all than last season looking at the direct comparison for game v game comparisons.

      I've got us on equal points after playing the same fixtures from last year, and have scored less and conceded more.  Somebody want to check my figures?

      LFC Performance against clubs

      FixtureLast SeasonThis SeasonPoints Change (Goals for change/Goals against change)
      Sunderland (A)2-01-00 (-1/0)
      Middlesbrough (H)3-22-10 (-1/-1)
      Aston Villa (A)2-10-0-2 (-2/-1)
      Man Utd (H)0-12-1+3 (+2/0)
      Stoke * (H)0-00-00 (0/0)
      Everton (A)2-12-00 (0/-1)
      Man City (A)0-03-2+2 (+3/+2)
      Wigan (H)1-13-2+2 (2/1)
      Chelsea (A)0-01-0+2 (+1/0)
      Portsmouth (H)4-11-00 (-3/-1)
      Spurs (A)2-01-2-3 (-1/2)
      West Brom * (H)2-13-00 (1/-1)
      Bolton (A)3-12-00 (-1/-1)
      Fulham (H)2-00-0-2 (-2/0)
      West Ham (H)4-00-0-2 (-4/0)
      Blackburn (A)0-03-1+2 (+3/+1)
      Hull (H)6-02-2-2 (-4/+2)
      Arsenal (A)1-11-10 (0/0)
      Bolton (H)4-03-00 (-1/0)
      Newcastle (A)3-05-10 (+2/+1)
      Overall0 (-2/4)

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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #34: Jan 02, 2009 01:55:20 am
      ^^ In other words, if we had the same fixtures last season in the order we had them this season we would be on the same number of points and probably still top.

      We have got an extra 3 points against Man Utd, but lost them against Spurs.

      We have got an extra 2 points off Man City, Wigan, Chelsea and Blackburn,
      but lost them against Villa, Fulham, West Ham, Hull.

      Sorry for taking the shine off our current position.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #35: Jan 02, 2009 12:15:48 pm
      Surprised nobody's picked this up.

      Nobody arsed that we haven't improved on last season then?
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #36: Jan 02, 2009 12:24:07 pm
      To be honest, We have scored less, and conceded more, which would bother me alot more if we weren't 3 points clear at the top.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #37: Jan 02, 2009 12:34:32 pm
      The difference is we're top of the league right now.  We have dropped points against teams we had beaten last year but we have taken them off our main rivals.

      I think it also has a lot to do with when we play these teams.  We had a poor 2nd quarter of the season last year losing to reading, Manure and all those draws.  This saw us lose any chance of the title but then we played very well in the run in.  We only lost to Manure and WHam (both away) in the second half of the season.

      This season, we have played pretty average at times but managed to pick up points - even when missing our main striker, one of our first choice Centre Halves and, at times, our captain.  It's a bit of a shame that we have to have a bit of a break now because the games against Bolton and Newcastle saw us play some brilliant football at last.  I wish we were playing Manure this weekend and Real Madrid midweek as I think we would hammer them if we carry on the form we have found.

      In the end comparing our results against last season is one measure of how we have improved but position in the table is the be-all and end-all.  And that only matters when the last game is finished.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #38: Jan 02, 2009 01:03:26 pm
      In the end comparing our results against last season is one measure of how we have improved but position in the table is the be-all and end-all.  And that only matters when the last game is finished.

      The stats don't lie.  All it suggests is that had we played the games in the same order last season we would also be on 45 points.

      The fact is that we need to improve our results against the rest if we are to have any chance of winning the league, because at the moment we are running on the same form as last time around.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #39: Jan 02, 2009 01:07:12 pm
      Our January/early Feb fixtures are against

      Stoke (A)
      Everton (H)
      Wigan (A)
      Chelsea (H)

      Last season these comparative results were

      Birmingham (A) 2-2
      Everton (H) 1-0
      Wigan (A) 1-0
      Chelsea (H) 1-1

      So we need an improvement on 8 points out of the 12 - preferably with a win over Chelsea part of that deal.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #40: Jan 02, 2009 01:20:12 pm
      Just shows what I've been saying for a while to be honest.

      When we beat the other title contenders it gives us a bigger margin for error. Our pitiful form against the big three last season has been replaced by (so far) two wins and a draw. If we take Chelsea as an example, had we lost that match and won against Spurs, we'd only be second in the league because of our poorer goal difference.

      The stats show that we haven't got more points than last season, but we've taken more off our rivals, which is just as important.

      We need to start combining our victories against the big clubs with better results against those in the bottom half of the table, this is obvious, but beating the top clubs gives us a small amount of breathing room we didn't have last year.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #41: Jan 02, 2009 01:31:37 pm
      We need to start combining our victories against the big clubs with better results against those in the bottom half of the table, this is obvious, but beating the top clubs gives us a small amount of breathing room we didn't have last year.

      That's right ayrton.  We said it at the end of the last season.  It's not necessarily how many games you win - but who you win against.  But don't anyone kid themselves that we have massively improved just yet and that there is a hell of a long way to go.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #42: Jan 02, 2009 01:44:45 pm
      That's right ayrton.  We said it at the end of the last season.  It's not necessarily how many games you win - but who you win against.  But don't anyone kid themselves that we have massively improved just yet and that there is a hell of a long way to go.

      We have improved on our early form, but only since a couple of matches - so it's far too early to get carried away!

      Lots of us (me included!) are so eager for us to win the title this year, but as you say, our results haven't been out of this world. What is very interesting from my point of view, however, is that we have achieved the same number of points as last season so far, without the greatest striker in the world at the moment, and with other injuries to our starting XI.

      Rafa has been forced to cut and paste the side throughout the first half of the season, and whilst our results have been a little "wobbly" at times, IMO had we had the same injuries last season we would have slipped up far worse than we have done! The strength and depth of our squad has (rightly at times) been questioned, but whilst we have more or less the same squad as last year, these same players are bringing home the points - an improvement in itself!

      I'm not stupid (I hope! ;)), but without counting any chickens, I feel optimistic with the imminent return of Torres and hopefully a more settled first team to begin the long push from now until the end of the season.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #43: Jan 02, 2009 02:36:56 pm
      Well we have a lot of room for improvement in our last 18 games.

      The following 18 games last season - we only got 31 points from a potential 54.

      8 wins, 7 draws and 3 defeats.

      Home - P9 W5 D4 L0 (Pts 19/27)
      Away - P9 W3 D3 L3 (Pts 12/27)

      10 Jan, 2009 Stoke City (A) Last season 2 - 2
      17 Jan, 2009 Everton (H) Last season 1 - 0
      27 Jan, 2009 Wigan Athletic (A) Last season 1 - 0
      01 Feb, 2009 Chelsea (H) Last season 1 - 1
      07 Feb, 2009 Portsmouth (A) Last season 0 - 0
      21 Feb, 2009 Manchester City (H) Last season 1 - 0
      28 Feb, 2009 Middlesbrough (A) Last season 1 - 1
      04 Mar, 2009 Sunderland (H) Last season 3 - 0
      14 Mar, 2009 Manchester United (A) 15:00 Last season 0 - 3
      21 Mar, 2009 Aston Villa (H) Last season 2 - 2
      04 Apr, 2009 Fulham (A) 15:00 Last season 2 - 0
      11 Apr, 2009 Blackburn Rovers (H) Last season 3 - 1
      18 Apr, 2009 Arsenal (H) Last season 1 - 1
      25 Apr, 2009 Hull City (A) Last season 2 - 1
      02 May, 2009 Newcastle United (H) Last season 3 - 0
      09 May, 2009 West Ham United (A) Last season 0 - 1
      16 May, 2009 West Brom (A) Last season 1 - 3
      24 May, 2009 Tottenham Hotspur (H) Last season 2 - 2

      We simply cannot afford to NOT WIN 10 games this time around.
      « Last Edit: Jan 02, 2009 02:43:13 pm by JD »
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #44: Jan 02, 2009 02:42:15 pm
      Well we have a lot of room for improvement in our last 18 games.

      The following 18 games last season - we only got 31 points from.

      8 wins, 7 draws and 3 defeats.

      I don't think that would be enough to win the league this year (or any year for that matter).
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      Reply #45: Jan 02, 2009 04:09:14 pm
      We definitely need to pick up the home form and become invincible, I'm not worried about our away from at all, it's been pretty well spot on all season, it's the silly draws we've had at home that have spoilt things for us.

      Still nice to be top going into the New Year though.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #46: Jan 02, 2009 04:18:27 pm
      I still believe that the other top teams are still going to drop quite a few points and I'm really confident we can do it this year.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #47: Jan 02, 2009 10:12:01 pm
      Nobody arsed that we haven't improved on last season then?

      It's true to say the stats suggest that we haven't improved on last season.The fact that the other  teams have dropped points this season and that we beat manu and chelski means we're top.

      We have improved though in two aspects ,our mentality being able to come back and win matches from behind, and the pressures of being top and we're learning how to cope with it, and that will stand us in good stead going forward.   
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #48: Jan 03, 2009 01:10:38 am
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      First of all I have updated the first post in this thread.

      But got some pretty shitty news.

      Our season's doesn't seem to be that much better at all than last season looking at the direct comparison for game v game comparisons.

      I've got us on equal points after playing the same fixtures from last year, and have scored less and conceded more.  Somebody want to check my figures?

      We might not do well when doing the result/team comparison with last season. I don;t think that is very important. When you do that you have to do the comparison for the other teams as well. Are they doing well ???  ::)  I do not think so, we won't be TOP if they are doing well.

      Its more of the timing of the game, we are 9 points ahead compare to last season in term of matches played (regardless of what team we played). Yes, we are not playing that well (team comparison), but the other teams are worse that us (slightly), that's why we are top of the league at the moment. Of course, it will be better if we played better than last season but its not a perfect world.

      You DO NOT win the title whether you play better or worse than last season or the season before that. You only need to play better than your opponents below you in the table for the current season to win the title.

      We must stay in touch for the next 2/3 months then go for the final push and landed at NUMBER 19.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #49: Jan 03, 2009 08:02:04 am
      Do having different players or even time players have played together play part as factors?

      Since we've got some new players this season, is it safe to assume that they would get us better results then the old batch last season?
      or
      Had J.A.R, Steve Finnan or Kewell stayed, would they get us better results this season?

      What i'm trying to say that i think it's only comparable between 2 season consisting of the same players.. i may be wrong :P
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #50: Jan 04, 2009 08:50:38 pm
      What i'm trying to say that i think it's only comparable between 2 season consisting of the same players.. i may be wrong :P

      Why would you want to compare with the same players?  As a football club each year, each transfer window, we are looking to improve our playing staff.  Bringing in better players than the one's that have departed.

      All I am highlighting from the stats is that compared to the same fixtures last season we have 45 points, the same number of points as last season. 

      The reason we are top is three fold

      a) The order of the fixtures this time round have enabled us to get more points on the board early doors (we only got 31 points from the equivalent 18 games we have left)

      b) The form of the other top teams has been poorer and United have played less games

      but crucially

      c) This time round we have avoided defeat in the so-called '6 pointers'.  Had we got 45 points in the exact same results as last time round we wouldn't be top at the moment.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #51: Jan 04, 2009 09:40:47 pm
      I dont know how to explain this season, been very dramatic and unorthodox. I still believe the reason for our position is simply because we have beaten our main rivals meaning that we are pushing ahead instead of them. Although we're not capitalising on these results by failing to beat Villa, fulham, West Ham etc. its much better than beating them and losing to Chelsea and Scum obviously.

      The other thing that has played a part is Fernando and Steven being out for a while which wouldnt help our goal scoring stats at all. Robbie has hardly been a predator and no one adds that drive that Stevie does.

      The thing i am baffled by is we have conceded more whereas last season we had to use Arbeloa and Hobbs before signing Martin and this season we have had Martin on fire with Jamie and then Danny stepping in nicely for Martin when he was out. Then again, i remember we had Dossena which paints a clearer picture as to why this has occured.

      Give it 5 full seasons and i firmly believe we will be unbeatable.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #52: Jan 04, 2009 09:48:58 pm
      Its a funny old season compared to 05/06 we have 1 more point at this point in the season and are top compared to being 6th then, the main thing is we are top and the league title is in our own control
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #53: Jan 04, 2009 09:58:24 pm
      we are top and the league title is in our own control

      That's it.

      Previously we've been playing catch up, now we are the ones setting the pace.

      Still that doesn't hide the fact that the 31 points we claimed from the 18 matches must improve this time around.
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      Reply #54: Jan 05, 2009 02:06:50 pm
      We broke Chelsea's homerecord!!!  8)
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #55: Jan 05, 2009 02:10:12 pm
      TBH, i couldnt give a rats ass about season comparrison, were were we should be. I do beleive that we got more points in the league in 2001 than many of our league winning sides so.... its irrelevant
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      Reply #56: Jan 06, 2009 12:03:00 pm
      TBH, i couldnt give a rats ass about season comparrison, were were we should be. I do beleive that we got more points in the league in 2001 than many of our league winning sides so.... its irrelevant

      Indeed our performance in 2001 was better than I think 17 of our title winning seasons. Think it's in the Random Stats thread.

      Our problem that season was that we didn't take the points off the others at the top hence why we didn't land the title.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #57: Jan 06, 2009 01:00:18 pm
      Indeed our performance in 2001 was better than I think 17 of our title winning seasons. Think it's in the Random Stats thread.

      Our problem that season was that we didn't take the points off the others at the top hence why we didn't land the title.

      We done that this year though so..... :) :) :)
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      Reply #58: Jan 06, 2009 01:28:34 pm
      We done that this year though so..... :) :) :)

      2005/06 I meant - not the calendar year.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #59: Jan 08, 2009 08:23:14 pm
      2005/06 I meant - not the calendar year.

      I shall refer the good sir to the point I made earlier

      We done that this year though so..... :) :) :)
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #60: Jan 20, 2009 02:33:22 pm
      Updated first post in the thread.

      Match on match we are now 2 points down on last season, scoring 4 goals less and conceding 3 more goals

      Not good.
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      Reply #61: Jan 20, 2009 02:42:08 pm
      Updated first post in the thread.

      Match on match we are now 2 points down on last season, scoring 4 goals less and conceding 3 more goals

      Not good.
      And yet the season seems to be going "OK"!
      I guess it is just the others have fallen behind.
      Strange. Lets hope for a second half surge.
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      Reply #62: Jan 20, 2009 02:46:26 pm
      Things doesn't look good for our future seasons.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #63: Jan 20, 2009 11:52:29 pm
      The key fact that bodes well for us is that over time we're nine points up on last season at this stage.We finished eleven off the pace last time out,surely this suggests improvement?
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #64: Jan 21, 2009 12:33:13 am
      The key fact that bodes well for us is that over time we're nine points up on last season at this stage.We finished eleven off the pace last time out,surely this suggests improvement?

      Yeah mate, it means we'll loose the league by 2 points this year and we're all meant to be over the moon with second.
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      Reply #65: Jan 21, 2009 05:34:14 pm
      Yeah mate, it means we'll loose the league by 2 points this year and we're all meant to be over the moon with second.

      Thanks for pointing out the obvious and I love the sarcasm , is that bit free?

      If you want to think like that that's fine.What I meant is we lost by 11 points and we're already 9 up after 22 games so we'll have no problems winning the league if we continue the same progress why I said "at this stage".
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #66: Jan 21, 2009 05:54:47 pm
      Doesn't really matter anyway, this season is a lot different to last season, so many points are being dropped by the top 4 that it's quite unpredicatable what the outcome is going to be right now.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #67: Jan 29, 2009 12:34:34 am
      Updated first post in the thread.

      v Team comparison

      We are 4 points worse off - scoring 4 less goals and conceding 4 more compared to the same fixtures last season.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #68: Feb 04, 2009 12:00:27 am
      Updated.

      Still 8 points up on the time comparison.

      Only 2 points down on the match comparison.

      Fingers crossed we can get a real boost against Portsmouth which will help both figures.

      1) Last season our 25th match of the season was a draw (0-0 at Chelsea away)

      and

      2) Portsmouth (a) last year was a 0-0 draw for us.

      If we do manage to win at the weekend we will also have taken 87 points from our last 38 Premiership games (a seasons worth).
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      Reply #69: Feb 04, 2009 12:36:23 am
      Man Utd won the league last year with 87 points.They will probably get at least 87 again this time.

      To reach 87, we need 36 from 14 games.
      They need 34 from 15.
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      Reply #70: Feb 08, 2009 11:50:45 pm
      Updated.

      Improvements in both the performance over time and the match comparison.

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      Reply #71: Feb 24, 2009 11:18:58 am
      Updated.

      Slipping behind again on our match comparison.
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      Reply #72: Mar 15, 2009 06:16:22 pm
      Bump
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      Reply #73: Mar 17, 2009 01:20:01 am
      Updated.

      Performance against clubs has moved back to 0 (it was negative).

      Performance over time has decreased to +5 points.  This was from the Boro loss (our 27th game last season was a victory).

      Looking ahead to the final 9 games for us, with last seasons corresponding score, and last seasons match score we have

      30. Aston Villa (H) 2-2 [Won game 30 last year]
      31. Fulham (A) 0-2 [Lost game 31]
      32. Blackburn (H) 3-1 [Won game 32]
      33. Arsenal (H) 1-1 [Drew game 33, ironically against Arsenal away]
      34. Hull (A) 2-1 [Won game 34]
      35. Newcastle (H) 3-0 [Lost game 35]
      36. West Ham (A) 0-1 [Drew game 36]
      37. West Brom (A) 1-3 [Won game 37]
      38. Spurs (H) 2-2 [Won game 38]

      Match comparison

      For the match comparison you can see we only won 3 out of the corresponding 9 fixtures last season. Losing 3 of them as well.  Anything more than 12 points out of our final 27 would see us improve our match comparison for the season.

      Time comparison

      Grabbed 17 points out 27 in our last 9 games last season.

      Anything more than 12 points would see our league points total increase.

      (Obviously at the end of the season both comparisons will equal each other)

      Worst case scenario is -12 points - best case is +15 points.
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      Re: Results Comparison Thread 08/09
      Reply #74: Apr 11, 2009 07:22:24 pm
      Just been doing a bit of research and our two most successful year in terms of points are 81-82 (87) and 87-88 (90)

      81-82 after 32 league games we had 63 points. (They played 42 league games that season)
      87-88 after 32 league games we had 76 points. (They played 40 league games that season)
      08-09 after 32 league games we have 70 points.

      Last 6 games of the 81-82 season we picked up 12 points.
      Last 6 games of the 87-88 season we picked up 10 points.
      Last 6 games of the 08-09 season we picked up ?? points.

      Alls I can tell from those stats was if we played the same amount of league games as we did in either of our highest point scoring seasons, then I think this side would break both totals.

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