Conspiracy Theories

Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.
I think it matters immensely. If 9/11 is a con then what about the deaths/injuries on the day and since as a result of the warmongering that followed based on further lies (eg WMDs).

Ignorance is bliss, I suppose.

Nah mate, F**k all ignorant about me. I've read all the sh*te and made my mind up. My opinion just happens to vary from yours and all your F***ing carping and whining on won't changed it.

Your pre-occupation with the subject both sad and laughable in equal amounts. Seventeen posts on a Liverpool F.C. forum and not one of them about football, never-mind L.F.C.

Where ignorance is bliss alright........you don't even know you're half mental.   

Defintion of ignorance:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/ignorant
"not having enough knowledge, understanding or information about something"

You have admitted you cannot explain the free fall collapse of WTC7. Surely that is down to not having enough knowledge, understanding or information about something. So yes, you are ignorant on this topic.

That did not mean I thought you wer an ignorant person although laughing at me without presenting any decent argument against what I'm saying is ignorant behaviour-other defintion "not polite or respectful"

If you don't want to listen to someone carping and whining about a topic then perhaps you should not read that thread.

If it would make you feel any better I could go on other threads and say Masch must stay, Rafa must stay, H&G must go, the clubs going to the dogs...To be honest at the moment I try and not think about LFC-it's just too depressing-I was someone who used to stand on the Kop on the 70s and 80s so was spoilt. Today's situation is just too hard to contemplate sometimes and so I do sometimes blank out LFC news.

Defintion of ignorance:
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/british/ignorant
"not having enough knowledge, understanding or information about something"

You have admitted you cannot explain the free fall collapse of WTC7. Surely that is down to not having enough knowledge, understanding or information about something. So yes, you are ignorant on this topic.

Finchie, i've admitted nothing other than - i couldn't give a F**k about WTC7.

I've read the reports that Gow posted and i've read your "Conspiracy" theory. I believe what i've read in Gow's link. I believe that you are obsessed and pre-occupied by something that is unimportant.

You are akin to a dog chasing a F***ing car - what do you intend doing with that car when you catch it? Apart from bore the F***ing wheels of it.

Now if you are a Red and not some half-baked Conspiracy Theory spammer - i wish you well. If not, please realise that i do not care enough to answer any more spam.

Finchie, I've admitted nothing other than - I couldn't give a f**k about WTC7.

I've read the reports that Gow posted and I've read your "Conspiracy" theory. I believe what I've read in Gow's link. I believe that you are obsessed and pre-occupied by something that is unimportant.

Yet you won't specify in particular about why Gow's link wins the argument over what I'm saying. That makes for a cr..p discussion. Not one person has yet explained the free fall collapse of WTC7. But anyway this is the point I want to make here:

You couldn't give a f*k about WTC7 and you think it is unimportant therefore I cannot understand why you keep coming back to this thread and posting.

I think the same about UFOs (ie don't believe there's anything in it) but it doesn't mean that I go on that thread and start slagging off people who have a passionate interest in UFOlogy-I just don't read the thread.

Misdirection is what conspiracies are the minute you question the offical story put out they label you as a cospiracy theorist.
The best place to put a lie is in your face.

False flag attacks are common when certain countires have an agenda examples; attack on the uss liberty,pearl harbour,9/11,riechstag building burning.

Misdirection is what conspiracies are the minute you question the offical story put out they label you as a cospiracy theorist.
The best place to put a lie is in your face.

False flag attacks are common when certain countires have an agenda examples; attack on the uss liberty,pearl harbour,9/11,riechstag building burning.

It's worse than that: obama wanted to introduce a law to gag CT'ers, news networks have called them terrorists and called for them to be imprisoned and government agents join CT sites to spread disinfo.

As far as the news networks go, if you look carefully, you can see the puppet master murdoch behind them.

There's also the question of why he dinnes regularly (in private) with heads of state, presidents, PMs etc
Just why did brown and bliar have him to dinner so often?

It's worse than that: obama wanted to introduce a law to gag CT'ers, news networks have called them terrorists and called for them to be imprisoned and government agents join CT sites to spread disinfo.

As far as the news networks go, if you look carefully, you can see the puppet master murdoch behind them.

There's also the question of why he dinnes regularly (in private) with heads of state, presidents, PMs etc
Just why did brown and bliar have him to dinner so often?

Murdoch is the king maker along with the rothchilds,im gonna put my house onit and state there will be another attack on america in new york the pakastanis will get the blame and america goes to war with pakistan to destabalise the only islamic nuclear country,we are gonna have a summer war in the middle east where russia,china,come to the aid of the iranians and syrians.
All options are on the table as they say.

If I was a betting man I'd say the next US invasion will be Iran. Ahmadinejad's nuclear programme gets lots of negative news and he's now taken over from Bin Laden/Saddam Hussein as the 'big bad wolf'. I suspect we'll see something like the hype around Iraq's WMD inspectors before invasion only this time we'll all be terrified of nuclear bombs in our cities.

I can't see there being another false flag attack or at least on the same scale as 9/11.
9/11 was such a monumental b?lls up-evidence left everywhere in their search for a spectacular retribution-demanding catastrophe. The numbers of people doubting the official story increases every day so I doubt they'd be so bold.

For more on the coming war with Iran? see today's AlJazeera. Don't expect similar reporting from the BBC.
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/articles/39/Itching-to-fight-another-Muslim-enemy.html

I suppose at some stage I must but I have checked David Chandler's calculations which demonstrated free fall and from my knowledge of Physics free fall means zero upwards resistance-so yes in fact I'm trusting Isaac Newton. Perhaps that stuff with apples was government deception!
Do I like football? once to obsession levels but since the commercialisation of the game less so. Istanbul was still the best night of my life then along came H&G and f..cked up the club. I still play socially and coach a team. So I'm not an internet troll or if I am not consciously so

Why did you sign up on another forum then of you do not care for football so much? Was it just to try and belittle us cos you think you have superior knowledge on this subject?

Not one person has yet explained the free fall collapse of WTC7.

Here you go:

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Why did you sign up on another forum then of you do not care for football so much? Was it just to try and belittle us cos you think you have superior knowledge on this subject?

So am I expected to accept people calling my criticism of the official story pish etc without defending why I said it.
ie I make a statement, someone called it pish (without justification), I should accept what they say in case someone might think I'm being superior to them

Surely forums don't work like that-they are places for lively debate.


And you have to be a superfan like you to be on an LFC forum?

I don't know how old you are but I was at Anfield for the 5-0 v Forest, Stamford Bridge for Kenny's winner, Panathanaikos 4-0, Hillsborough 2 weeks before, Baseball Ground for the 29 game run and many many games through the lates 70s to early 90s. I was not an ever present but would have been given the chance. Most of my best life moments and worst life moments are associated with this club. The premiership era has priced me out now I've got other commitments eg family, run my own team. When I attend now I sing like I was a teenager again unlike some of the regulars (super-fans?) around me. I come to this forum because you are Liverpool supporters like me-they are the people I most easily associate with. We've all been there-on holiday-looking around-a red shirt-conversation and a mate for the week. Liverpool is my club and I am gutted at what is happening to it. That may not be good enough for you or for this forum and if I'm not welcome here I am more than happy to leave.

What about the video?

No mate, not saying you are not welcome. I just don't understand why you sign up, and then spiel on A LOT about conspiracy theories without attributing to any real football discussion yet. Especially in what could be the most important summer in the clubs history.

Excuse me for wondering, but we have people who sign up with agendas other than the good of Liverpool FC, and it just seems you are more intent on slamming your theory down others throats rather than football. Which, on a football forum, i would have thought you would be somewhere other than this thread most of the time.

My own little conspiracy theory about you, if you will

Thanks Gow for the video. I remember this video from when I first started investigating and it certainly made me think although it still wouldn't explain the acceleration of the collapse only that the collapse was possible. However further research told me this early version of the official report was corrected. To take point by point:

All references come from the final NIST report NCSTAR 1A (2008) and the pages are the pdf page

i)The quotes about the gouging out of WTC7 were corrected in later 'official versions'. The latest official version does not blame debris damage for the collapse.

p39
"Other than initiating the fires in WTC7, the damage from the debris from WTC1 had little effect on initiating the collapse of WTC7"

The claims about diesel fuel have also been retracted
p91
"Diesel fuel fires did not play a part in the collapse of WTC7"

No bulge in the building was reported in the final report because this wouldn't fit it with the single column failure that initiated the complete collapse and occurred considerably later than the supposed bulge.

and finally the transfer trusses
p39
"The transfer elements such as trusses....did not play a significant role in the collapse of WTC7"

No mate, not saying you are not welcome. I just don't understand why you sign up, and then spiel on A LOT about conspiracy theories without attributing to any real football discussion yet. Especially in what could be the most important summer in the clubs history.

Excuse me for wondering, but we have people who sign up with agendas other than the good of Liverpool FC, and it just seems you are more intent on slamming your theory down others throats rather than football. Which, on a football forum, I would have thought you would be somewhere other than this thread most of the time.

My own little conspiracy theory about you, if you will

Like I said I'd rather be speaking to fellow Liverpool supporters rather than strangers. My tone's probably been wrong from the start but I'm totally knackered/p.ssed off these days (football/finances/work/politicians) and I do get totally frustrated about what I perceive as pre-conceived murder on 9/11. I never started this thread or the 9/11 bit of it and I only came into it because I was told WTC7's controlled demolition was admitted-if true this would have been a major victory for us 9/11 skeptics and I perhaps got carried away.

I am genuinely sorry if I've caused offence and I will consider further participation on this forum when my head is clearer. Anway time to go and watch politicians b.llsh.t us on Question Time.

Good night all!

Mate don't take it as being offended or pissed off I'm pretty chill about it, i was just genuinly wondering about what you were here for. But you seem genuine, and despite my disagreement about your view on 9/11 i don't judge on that.

Just know there's other threads about that thing called football and Liverpool FC

Mate don't take it as being offended or pissed off I'm pretty chill about it

Cheers for that bigV. I've not helped myself on this thread particularly as a newcomer!

For anyone who's interested in the calls for a re-investigation this was posted on the World for 911 truth website yesterday. I think I previously referred to the official animation as just a cartoon.
http://world911truth.org/wtc-building-7-collapse-nist-reality-check/

It compares the actual collapse of WTC7 to the official version's collapse. I think it speaks volumes for the validity of the official version!

Here's a picture from the animation:

Sorry but it's bigger than I intended.
Please take this information or leave it-I know many people are interested in the questions raised.

I dont know if you guys remember a plane hitting a tower in madrid,well that tower never collapsed.

Detonations  were used to bring down those towers simple.

I dont know if you guys remember a plane hitting a tower in madrid,well that tower never collapsed.

Detonations  were used to bring down those towers simple.

You really think those twin towers were brought down deliberately, that thousands were killed like that? No offense, but using the argument that another tower didn't fall is stupid, IMO.

Now, if it came out in years later that there was a big cover up id hold my hand up and say well played, but at the moment i find a comment like 'Detonations were used to bring down those towers simple' offensive. Go and say that to the wife of one of those firefighters and see how she'd like that.

I refuse to believe that those men and women died like that until i see concrete evidence and/or admissions of it. So far i have seen neither, and i don't think i ever will.

You know, I'm sure some conspiracy theories might be true, while at the same time there's many more conspiracies I and everybody else have no clue about. I wouldn't mind knowing them all if someone would just present all the true facts to me on a platter, preferably summarised into a few sentences so it doesn't get too complicated. But, that will never happen. It's really not worth all the energy to me figuring all this stuff out, wondering what is and isn't true. Unless you're an insider you'll likely never know what really happened. And at the same time, what will change when I do know? Nothing, besides me getting even more pissed off and angry with the world's injustice etc. It's useless, counter productive. I rather focus my energy in a positive way on my own environment. Is that hypocrite? Maybe, but it's a conscious choice.

Now, if it came out in years later that there was a big cover up id hold my hand up and say well played, but at the moment I find a comment like 'Detonations were used to bring down those towers simple' offensive. Go and say that to the wife of one of those firefighters and see how she'd like that.

I refuse to believe that those men and women died like that until I see concrete evidence and/or admissions of it. So far I have seen neither, and I don't think I ever will.

http://firefightersfor911truth.org/?page_id=469
Look at all the firefighters demanding an investigation into the use of explosives. That is too big a number to dismiss.

http://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20041026093059633
Look at the family members on the above page.

I would argue that survivors owe it to the dead of 9/11, Iraq and Afghanistan to find the truth. I never hear of family members protesting at the 9/11 truth movement; I'm not sure that many are upset about someone trying to find the truth out. Was there outrage in New York at the 80 000 petitioners demanding a new investigation? I don't think so.
You are open to the possibility of a cover up so if there is a possibility surely you can't have a problem with the thousands of people around the world investigating. This is not a conspiracy movement to compare with the Moon landings or alien abduction-the sheer amount of experts in many fields is too great to be dismissed.

Concrete Evidence:
1) Explosive material has been found in the dust.
http://www.bentham-open.org/pages/content.php?TOCPJ/2009/00000002/00000001/7TOCPJ.SGM
The paper was produced 12 months ago and has still to be refuted.
2) Free fall collapse of WTC7; no-one debunked me on this last week and no-one ever has debunked me or anyone.

3) Tons of molten metal found at temperatures that office fires can't produce


There's an overwhelming amount of circumstantial evidence also that if put before a jury would lead to the same conclusion but you can ignore this evidence and accept animations that look nothing like the real collapse. You can accept the official story which the 9/11 commission produced but let me quote John Farmer the Senior Counsel to the 9/11 commission.

“...at some level of the government, at some point in time…there was an agreement not to tell the truth
about what happened... I was shocked at how different the truth was from the way it was described”

Surely those words alone suggest a cover up?

I dont know if you guys remember a plane hitting a tower in madrid,well that tower never collapsed.

Detonations  were used to bring down those towers simple.

Have you heard the ripple of detonations it would take to bring down buildings that big? It would have sounded like an atomic bomb, just before the buildings started to come down. Haven't heard it on any audio I've heard. If the squibs are proof, then why do the squibs only start after the towers start to collapse? (Maybe because it's the weight of 50 storeys above pushing the dust through the already broken windows?). The buildings didn't come straight down like a controlled demolition. They spewed outwards - hitting buildings including Building 7 which was 300 foot away.

But please feel free to ignore me and quote Alex Jones and the rest of the misinformation.