NESV/Fenway Sports Group: Owners of LFC

Far to much of our wage bill is going on administrative staff when you compared it to the other top clubs.

Weekly Player Wage Bill
 

1st Manchester City                         £2.61m
2nd Manchester United                  £2.52m
3rd Chelsea                                     £1.92m
4th Arsenal                                      £1.76m
5th Liverpool                                  £1.53m

Annual Player Wage Bill
 

1st Manchester City                         £135.72m
2nd Manchester United                  £131.04m
3rd Chelsea                                      £99.89m
4th Arsenal                                       £91.78m
5th Liverpool                                    £79.35m

Administration/Commercial Staff Per Club
 

1st Liverpool – 500
2nd Arsenal – 364
3rd Man Utd – 206
4th Chelsea – 206
5th Man City – 170
6th Tottenham – 133

Do we really need that many? More than twice than Man U who have a much higher turn over.

So if this figures are correct, only £79.35 million of our Annual £208 million wage bill is going on players.

Anyone looking at our players will have to agree you are quite close to the mark !

No idea where you got those player wage numbers from, but they're pretty wide of the mark.
i.e. wrong.

Player wages were at least 152 million, and that's before bonuses etc in 2015/16

Various sites have us at £165 m for this season.

Various sites? Which ones? Genuinely interested to get perspective.

The echo article i have linked before worked our wages out as being £75 million

Everton worked out at being £53 million

Our income £300 million. Evertons £121 million

They use 43 % of there income on the first team, we use 25 %

You might want to have another look.

Various sites? Which ones? Genuinely interested to get perspective.

I've used this one quite a lot OR.
It checks out, as far as I can tell.

Of course, that still leaves 42 million for admin and "other" staff, which is high by any reckoning.
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/english-premier-league-wage-bills-club-by-club/

You might want to have another look.


I've used this one quite a lot OR.
It checks out, as far as I can tell.

Of course, that still leaves 42 million for admin and "other" staff, which is high by any reckoning.
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/english-premier-league-wage-bills-club-by-club/

Thats total wages

If you go to the page where the contracts are they estimate that the first team wage bill to be £85 million

Thats total wages

If you go to the page where the contracts are they estimate that the first team wage bill to be £85 million

Total wages are over 200 million.

Player wages are (this season) £165.6 million, up from £152 m last year.

The echo seem to get an awful lot wrong these days.
I mean this is simple, bog standard stuff.

Anyway, believe what you like, I don't give a crap either way, as I'm happy with the sites I posted.

Total wages are over 200 million.

Player wages are (this season) £165.6 million, up from £152 m last year.

The echo seem to get an awful lot wrong these days.
I mean this is simple, bog standard stuff.

Anyway, believe what you like, I don't give a crap either way, as I'm happy with the sites I posted.

 Go and add up the contracts !

For you to be right EVERY first team player averages £100,000 a week

Correction  £120,000 a week

 Go and add up the contracts !

For you to be right EVERY first team player averages £100,000 a week

What the F**k are you on about?
Let me try again; player wages are £165m up from £152m

That's it, end of story.

No point to any of this sh*t with people who can't do basic maths and now want to separate starters, non starters, squad players and use some spurious "first team" nonsense.
Couts alone earns 200k a week, we have several other players on over 100k a week.
Couts alone is over 10 million a year in wages.


Actually, forget it.
I can't be arsed with this nonsense.

Far to much of our wage bill is going on administrative staff when you compared it to the other top clubs.

Administration/Commercial Staff Per Club
 
1st Liverpool – 500
2nd Arsenal – 364
3rd Man Utd – 206
4th Chelsea – 206
5th Man City – 170
6th Tottenham – 133

Do we really need that many? More than twice than Man U who have a much higher turn over.

So if this figures are correct, only £79.35 million of our Annual £208 million wage bill is going on players.

Yep, lets sack 'em.

 Go and add up the contracts !

For you to be right EVERY first team player averages £100,000 a week

Correction  £120,000 a week

Yeah that's what I was thinking it's not as low as 75 but it can't be as high as 200

What the f**k are you on about?
Let me try again; player wages are £165m up from £152m

That's it, end of story.

No point to any of this sh*t with people who can't do basic maths and now want to separate starters, non starters, squad players and use some spurious "first team" nonsense.
Couts alone earns 200k a week, we have several other players on over 100k a week.
Couts alone is over 10 million a year in wages.


Actually, forget it.
I can't be arsed with this nonsense.

You cant be arsed because you are wrong !

Yeah that's what I was thinking it's not as low as 75 but it can't be as high as 200

Player wages in total are 165m
42 m is other staff, and yes, that's high.

Yeah that's what I was thinking it's not as low as 75 but it can't be as high as 200

No one can say for certain without all the contracts

But the site I have looked at have our current wage bill as £85 million

But you have to add up the contracts and not  take the figure they use as a total wage bill (Swab)

You cant be arsed because you are wrong !

Yes, of course I am, and we spend less on player wages than Stoke, who spend £75.9m. 

I'm not wasting my Sunday on this sh*t, so you go ahead and think whatever you want.

Check this link.
Or don't.
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/english-premier-league-wage-bills-club-by-club/

Let's assume some figures and granted these will be rough estimates so I'll err on the 'expensive side' and see which one it comes closest to:

Karius £75,000
Mignolet £90,000
Manninger £10,000

Matip £100,000
Lovren £100,000
Klavan £40,000
Gomez £30,000
Lucas £70,000

Milner £90,000
Moreno £50,000

Clyne £70,000
Trent AA £20,000

Henderson £140,000
Wijnaldum £100,000
Lallana £120,000
Can £35,000
Grujic £20,000
Stewart £25,000

Mane £120,000
Sturridge £120,000
Firmino £100,000
Coutinho £150,000
Origi £40,000
Ings £60,000

£1.75m per week

£91m a year. Now people can moan that I've gone in too low with a few of those so let's throw an extra £400k a week contingency just in case:  £111.8m player wages. Now unless we're playing our youth players extortionate fees I've absolutely no idea where the £165m figure is coming from.

Player wages in total are 165m
42 m is other staff, and yes, that's high.

Even 165 is £3M per week.

Migs £3M
Karius £2.5M
Milner £6M
Moreno £3M
Clyde £3.5M
Lovern £3.5M
Matip £5M
Klavan £2.5M
Gomez £1.5M
Lucas £4M
Emre £2M
Gini £3.5M
Hendo £4.5M
Stewart £1.5M
Lallana £6M
Coutinho £8M
Mane £5M
Origi £3M
Sturridge £8M
Firmino £5M
=£80M if my maths is right
Say maybe another £20M for first team players I've forgotten/on loan/not at the club but we're still paying something to

Klopp and all the background people maybe about £20M?

All reserve and youth players maybe abother £20M?

Our total wage bill all up max cannot be any more than £150M per year

Yes, of course I am, and we spend less on player wages than Stoke, who spend £75.9m. 

I'm not wasting my Sunday on this sh*t, so you go ahead and think whatever you want.

Check this link.
Or don't.
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/english-premier-league-wage-bills-club-by-club/

You do know that all those figure our for the total wage bill

Last year Everton spent £83 million in total

West ham £75 million in total

Stoke £75 million in totla

The figure you keep quoting are suppose to be total wage bill (but they have got ours wrong)
 

Even 165 is £3M per week.

Migs £3M
Karius £2.5M
Milner £6M
Moreno £3M
Clyde £3.5M
Lovern £3.5M
Matip £5M
Klavan £2.5M
Gomez £1.5M
Lucas £4M
Emre £2M
Gini £3.5M
Hendo £4.5M
Stewart £1.5M
Lallana £6M
Coutinho £8M
Mane £5M
Origi £3M
Sturridge £8M
Firmino £5M
=£80M if my maths is right
Say maybe another £20M for first team players I've forgotten/on loan/not at the club but we're still paying something to

Klopp and all the background people maybe about £20M?

All reserve and youth players maybe abother £20M?

Our total wage bill all up max cannot be any more than £150M per year

Throw in bonuses and incentives.

Throw in bonuses and incentives.

I hope we're not paying much bonuses out after the shambles of the past few months, but even so I have no idea where the echo get their figure of £200M + there is no way in hell that is our wage bill

I hope we're not paying much bonuses out after the shambles of the past few months, but even so I have no idea where the echo get their figure of £200M + there is no way in hell that is our wage bill

One of the gripes about FSG (and I agree with this one) is that the contracts they give are heavily incentivised, and that they pay a lot in bonuses as well, at the expense of basic wage.

So it depends on how much they put in for various players as a win bonus, bonuses for goals, clean sheets, whatever.
I don't agree with these incentivised contracts, but that's what we've got.

Edit: The Echo got the 200m + from our accounts, but that's for ALL the staff at the club, not just players.

Even 165 is £3M per week.

Migs £3M
Karius £2.5M
Milner £6M
Moreno £3M
Clyde £3.5M
Lovern £3.5M
Matip £5M
Klavan £2.5M
Gomez £1.5M
Lucas £4M
Emre £2M
Gini £3.5M
Hendo £4.5M
Stewart £1.5M
Lallana £6M
Coutinho £8M
Mane £5M
Origi £3M
Sturridge £8M
Firmino £5M
=£80M if my maths is right
Say maybe another £20M for first team players I've forgotten/on loan/not at the club but we're still paying something to

Klopp and all the background people maybe about £20M?

All reserve and youth players maybe abother £20M?

Our total wage bill all up max cannot be any more than £150M per year

Everton pay the manager about the same as us, they have more players on loan, they have a similar youth set up. Add in all the add min staff

It costs them £30 million

Edit: The Echo got the 200m + from our accounts, but that's for ALL the staff at the club, not just players.

And the word is Mighty Red demanded a huge pay increase last season.

Yes, of course I am, and we spend less on player wages than Stoke, who spend £75.9m. 

I'm not wasting my Sunday on this sh*t, so you go ahead and think whatever you want.

Check this link.
Or don't.
http://www.totalsportek.com/money/english-premier-league-wage-bills-club-by-club/

Here is a link

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/25/premier-league-finances-club-by-club-breakdown-david-conn

If you look through total wage figure you will have to agree that the figure you keep quoting as players wages is really meant to be the whole club wages.

 

Here is a link

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2016/may/25/premier-league-finances-club-by-club-breakdown-david-conn

If you look through total wage figure you will have to agree that the figure you keep quoting as players wages is really meant to be the whole club wages.

Whole club wages is about 208m

Your link is from 2014/15