Torres for Suarez

this maybe quite controversial but I do love controversy.

With it appearing more and more likely that our Magician No7 is heading for pastures new, and with the hope that we will be getting 40 million plus for him.  Would it be worth putting a cheeky bid of 10 million for Torres.  Seems to me he is going to be pushed further back now that Maureen has returned to the Chavs.

I dont know about anyone else but i think i was more distressed at the thought of Torres going than I am with Suarez, seems weird, but i think i have come to the fact that the Press and FA hate him and he is there no 1 hate figure.

I think Torres needs to be loved and lets face it he was never going to get loved when they choose to love a relationship wrecker/racist and all around knobhead in such high as steam

I know i will get abuse for this, but I couldnt really care.

this maybe quite controversial but I do love controversy.

With it appearing more and more likely that our Magician No7 is heading for pastures new, and with the hope that we will be getting 40 million plus for him.  Would it be worth putting a cheeky bid of 10 million for Torres.  Seems to me he is going to be pushed further back now that Maureen has returned to the Chavs.

I dont know about anyone else but i think i was more distressed at the thought of Torres going than I am with Suarez, seems weird, but i think i have come to the fact that the Press and FA hate him and he is there no 1 hate figure.

I think Torres needs to be loved and lets face it he was never going to get loved when they choose to love a relationship wrecker/racist and all around knobhead in such high as steam

I know i will get abuse for this, but I couldnt really care.

as steam?

Wouldn't pay over 5M for Torres.  He would be a squad player behind Sturridge at this point.  His best days are behind him, and he would not have any sort of residual value in the next 2-3 years. 

If Suarez goes, I'd rather we take the money and get a clinical finisher who is in his prime.  Someone like Soldado/Higuain would be perfect in my opinion, and we would still have plenty of dosh leftover from the Suarez fee to strengthen other areas. 

Depends, Atletico have got the Falcao money to burn, we'll probably lose out to them!!

I'd want someone better than Torres if Luis goes and anyway, he's a has been judas who sulks when he doesn't get his own way.

Let him slink off back to anywhere but L4 

as steam?

a steem even

Sorry English Teacher

a steem even

Sorry English Teacher

Esteem?

Write it out 100 times.

if Torres came back and scored 30 goals I am sure he would have his name sung again but you may as well include Rushie in our targets because he will never be back and never score 30 goals in a season

No thanks mate!...I know we brought back Rush, Fowler & Bellamy to name a few, but Torres left a stain on us, a big dirty indelible stain on the way he left...it wouldn't be the same for us again!

Onwards & Upwards to the next hero!

a steem even

Sorry English Teacher

Esteem?

Write it out 100 times.

 

I actually quite like 'high as steam', you might have coined a new idiom.

And a no to the proposition, unless we find a spare 5 mill down the back of the sofa or something.

Torres has won everything. He is unlikely to want to leave for European glory again.  I would think his loyalty would be better 2nd time around. I'd take him over  Carrol. I think 12m is fair for Torres if he is up for sale. 

Torres has won everything.   

Factually incorrect!

No thanks mate!...I know we brought back Rush, Fowler & Bellamy to name a few, but Torres left a stain on us, a big dirty indelible stain on the way he left...it wouldn't be the same for us again!

Onwards & Upwards to the next hero!

On a free maybe..........nah F**k it.

Factually incorrect!

Unfactually correct.

We could probably do better for 10m to be honest, although Torres would add PL experience which the likes of Aspas won't.

We could probably do better for 10m to be honest, although Torres would add PL experience which the likes of Aspas won't.

Aspas has plenty of La Liga experience so lack of PL experience won't faze him at all!
Plenty of hunger & zest will get him along just fine!

Simple 'NO' from me.

Torres + Papadopoulous + Mkrtychan for Suarez would represent good business for the team.

No thanks.

He betrayed our love. you wouldn't take back a partner who thought the grass was greener would you?

Wouldn't even take Torres on a free if you gave me the chance. He's finished. He may have improved slightly under Rafa but even in matches where he scored he was still generally poor as the Europa League final showed. Torres back at Liverpool? Absolutely not. No siree bob! It's got nothing to do with the bitterness that hung in the air when he left. I would take him back in an instance if he was the Torres we knew and loved from Liverpool 4/5 years ago but that was then. This is now and the present says he is a finished man. A shame because he was once so great but he's now a pale imitation of his former self. Worse than a fat Elvis singing Unchained Melody at his piano.

He could have been a legend of the club but he chosed to be otherwise, let's move forward and leave the past behind. He left us when we needed hin most, but we manage to survive without him. Personally I wouldn't like to see him back. it brings back the unpleasant memories during those times.

He has to get on his knees and beg then I don't know.

Hell no. It's high time we get a No.9 who is going to stay atleast 5 years or more...No traitor's, Media-did-this-to-me whinger's .

Are people forgetting that Torres is sh*te and now has the first touch of a rapist?

I dont think for one minute that Torres will return but ffs people making out he's sh*te is bs.

I still watch him very closely every time he plays & he ain't sh*te.

I'd have him back at the right price just like i'd have Luis back at the right price.

Its just a job to them all none of these top players love the club like we do.

Its just their job and same as us they'll work for whoever looks after them best. 

Making out he's still prolific is bullshit also.

No.

High wages, low output. Also, he's a massive c**t.

He has won everything, his passion should be in money now. The way he plays doesn't look like he enjoys the game anymore.

Torres 29 now, sh*t, has won everything in the game apart from EPL, his desire now is money not trophies can see that from the way he plays, lost his passion, judas.

No.

High wages, low output. Also, he's a massive c**t.

Are people forgetting that Torres is sh*te and now has the first touch of a rapist?

I think those two posts sum it up perfectly for me.

this maybe quite controversial but I do love controversy.

With it appearing more and more likely that our Magician No7 is heading for pastures new, and with the hope that we will be getting 40 million plus for him.  Would it be worth putting a cheeky bid of 10 million for Torres.  Seems to me he is going to be pushed further back now that Maureen has returned to the Chavs.

I dont know about anyone else but i think i was more distressed at the thought of Torres going than I am with Suarez, seems weird, but i think i have come to the fact that the Press and FA hate him and he is there no 1 hate figure.

I think Torres needs to be loved and lets face it he was never going to get loved when they choose to love a relationship wrecker/racist and all around knobhead in such high as steam

I know i will get abuse for this, but I couldnt really care.

I hope you get well fed in your padded cell.

 

Torres?

Rather have Borini playing the 38 games. Dont want the judas anywhere near our team.

Making out he's still prolific is bullshit also.

Where did i say he was prolific?
Obviously he isn't but he still scored over 20 goals last season

Torres left to go to a 'bigger' club and to play Champions League football.

So, on two counts he can F**k off, we are a bigger club who can't fulfil his desires to do F**k all in the CL, the lads a tw*t, never go back.

The Torres to Barcelona stories are getting stronger, the words total insanity spring to mind !

I hope you get well fed in your padded cell.

I do get well paid though.

I would'nt have that judas kunt back even on a free, he was very well aware of the love we showered him with until he decided Chavs were a bigger club and fu**ed off to them, so F**k him, i hope he spends the entire season sucking Maureens balls then fucks off to some second division spanish enclave, K.U.N.T.!!!!!

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I would'nt have that judas kunt back even on a free, he was very well aware of the love we showered him with until he decided Chavs were a bigger club and fu**ed off to them, so f**k him, i hope he spends the entire season sucking Maureens balls then fucks off to some second division spanish enclave, K.U.N.T.!!!!!

don't hold anything back .

I would'nt have that judas kunt back even on a free, he was very well aware of the love we showered him with until he decided Chavs were a bigger club and fu**ed off to them, so f**k him, i hope he spends the entire season sucking Maureens balls then fucks off to some second division spanish enclave, K.U.N.T.!!!!!

So ya don't want him then?

Why are people so against Torres but still pro Rafa, rafa actually managed Chelsea.

I would'nt have that judas kunt back even on a free, he was very well aware of the love we showered him with until he decided Chavs were a bigger club and fu**ed off to them, so f**k him, i hope he spends the entire season sucking Maureens balls then fucks off to some second division spanish enclave, K.U.N.T.!!!!!

Brilliant.

Why are people so against Torres but still pro Rafa, rafa actually managed Chelsea.

This guy just keeps getting better and better.

What a cracker he is.

Why are people so against Torres but still pro Rafa, rafa actually managed Chelsea.

Because Rafa didn't f**k us off in the middle of the season with a transfer request on the last day of a window to go to a club in the same league as us.

I just deleted something off this post. I refrained so to not come across as a class bully but f**k me you make it hard.

EDIT and lets not mention the "I'm happy to finally be at a big club" comment.

Because Rafa didn't f**k us off in the middle of the season with a transfer request on the last day of a window to go to a club in the same league as us.

This! Never ever want to see this player in a Liverpool shirt again!

Okay I understand why you have a dislike for him. I was a little annoyed with the timing too,  I forgave him because he was rubbish and Suarez was better.  I think he would not be guaranteed as a starter at Liverpool anymore than Barcelona anyway.  Hopefully Suarez stays. Suarez, Borini, Sturridge and Aspas will be plenty.  If Suarez goes Muriel at 25m sounds feasible and would leave a bit left over for quality centre backs. We don't need Torres and a lot of fans still dislike him so, I guess he wouldn't be worth a return.

Don't sit on the fence man. 
Tell us what you really think. 

I  don't want Torres back here ever again. 

I don't want Torres back either i just don't agree he's a total C**t
He's just same as all the rest of these top players.

He does what he thinks is best for HIS career..

Why is this thread still open..?

We would never take back Torres, we dont need him and he has clearly shown he can no longer be the player he was.

I don't want Torres back either i just don't agree he's a total C**t
He's just same as all the rest of these top players.

He does what he thinks is best for HIS career..

I agree with you but instead of saying he does what he thinks is best for his career I would of put he does what he thinks is best for his pocket.

Why are people so against Torres but still pro Rafa, rafa actually managed Chelsea.

Because Torres is a c**t. It really is that simple. He disrespected us in an unforgivable manner. For that he has no place here ever again.

Other than Ian rush, the only player I have ever got properly upset about when they left though each situation was very very different.

Genuinely was in shock, grief and mourning during that period.

Don't wish him any massive ill will but the fact that his performances on the whole for the chavs has been pretty poor does give me a little satisfaction.

When Suarez leaves I certainly won't feel the same as I have learnt that the modern footballer at times is a fickle breed.

LFC is bigger than any player and our success has always been down to club and not player.

I wouldn't mind seeing him back for approx 10 million and an appropriate wage cut.

I think a lot of his problems are mental, he has improved his all round game lots and could really flourish in our team - especially if Suarez stays. Things is, I'm still worried we don't have a clinical enough finisher - Sturridge and Suarez are far from clinical despite the strengths in the rest of their game so I think Torres would be a punt worth taking.

At the time he left the club wasn't measuring up to his ambitions - fact - and unlike Owen or Stevie Mac we came out well from the deal financially. I strongly believe there was much more going on behind the scenes in that transfer than has been made public.

Obviously it might take a few games for fans to adjust - especially those ones who were acting like teenage girls dumped by their first boyfriend when he left. Hopefully it will be a reminder to everyone that these are just players and the good of the club should be our main focus.

Hopefully it will be a reminder to everyone that these are just players and the good of the club should be our main focus.

That's why you don't re-sign Torres, especially when he still looks troubled by that left knee and is still a shadow of the player we had here.

Burnt his bridges good riddance

That's why you don't re-sign Torres, especially when he still looks troubled by that left knee and is still a shadow of the player we had here.

There's a famous experiment where a person is given 100 pounds and told to separate it into two piles - the first is earmarked for him and the second for another test subject. The second test subject looks at the two piles and decides if he is happy with the split - if he is, both subjects get to keep the money and if he isn't both people leave with nothing. The experiment is then repeated with another two people and so on.

Turns out that emotion and fairness play a massive part in decision making. If the money is split 50:50 both parties leave with the money - once it gets to the region of person 1 getting around 80 pounds and person 2 being offered 20, it becomes increasingly rare that the 2nd person is happy with the deal and both leave with nothing. But looking at it objectively the intrusion of emotion into the decision making is stupid. If you were the second person and you were offered a single pound and person 1 got 99 pounds that's still 1 pound more than you had before - the lesson is there's a threshold at which your emotions cost you money (which is the objective of the experiment).

What I meant with my post was you take emotion out of the decision making completely.

If you think he's not worth 10 million due to the knee injury then fair enough.

But whether or not he is a "shadow of the player we had" doesn't really matter - the question is whether we get a certain amount of value at a pricepoint. Part of being ruthless is separating emotion from decision making and that's what we need to get back to the top.

Can someone lock this up?  If there's any chance of it happening then it's worth a thread, which there is not.

Have him back

It's a no from me

Torres for Suarez? That's like getting rid of a Ferrari and getting your first ever beaten up Ford Fiesta back...

Give your head a wobble!

There's a famous experiment where a person is given 100 pounds and told to separate it into two piles - the first is earmarked for him and the second for another test subject. The second test subject looks at the two piles and decides if he is happy with the split - if he is, both subjects get to keep the money and if he isn't both people leave with nothing. The experiment is then repeated with another two people and so on.

Turns out that emotion and fairness play a massive part in decision making. If the money is split 50:50 both parties leave with the money - once it gets to the region of person 1 getting around 80 pounds and person 2 being offered 20, it becomes increasingly rare that the 2nd person is happy with the deal and both leave with nothing. But looking at it objectively the intrusion of emotion into the decision making is stupid. If you were the second person and you were offered a single pound and person 1 got 99 pounds that's still 1 pound more than you had before - the lesson is there's a threshold at which your emotions cost you money (which is the objective of the experiment).

What I meant with my post was you take emotion out of the decision making completely.

If you think he's not worth 10 million due to the knee injury then fair enough.

But whether or not he is a "shadow of the player we had" doesn't really matter - the question is whether we get a certain amount of value at a pricepoint. Part of being ruthless is separating emotion from decision making and that's what we need to get back to the top.

Or the simple F***ing argument, which is he's sh*te, get over it!

Or the simple f**king argument, which is he's sh*te, get over it!

Someone should ask Torres has the defenders in the premier league improved or have you gone sh*t?  He once said that he didn't rate many defenders in the EPL.

Torres thrived in a team set up that was all about playing to his strengths, he was similar at Atletico as to what he is at Chelsea, he'd score goals just wouldn't be as prolific, Rafa squeezed %110 of Torres's ability out of him by playing to his strengths, which he did try to recreate in his short time at Chelsea, Torres will never reach the heights he achieved here ever again,  he's far from finished as he'll always score goals but he'll never be known as the  most lethal striker in europe again.

So for that reason, I'm out.

Can someone move this thread.  It's not a rumour.

Can someone move this thread.  It's not a rumour.

How's about stop twisting and whining on like a little girl ?

Not every discussion has to be a rumour.

www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,2815.0.html

For this category it does.

Meh... I like this rule myself - http://www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,37.0.html especially this bit:

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7) DON'T ARSE AROUND OR BE A WIND UP MERCHANT (WUM) - Morons are not allowed to spoil the enjoyment of people on this forum. Remember - this is a forum for you and your fellow Liverpool fans.  We're all on the same side here.  Users who continually go off topic, or appear to be on a mission to wind up fellow users will not last long.

www.lfcreds.com/reds/index.php/topic,2815.0.html

For this category it does.

Were discussing a hypothetical situation if it was to arise about a current player and a former player, if you can't see the difference in that from discussing any one and every one without a source then you've got sh*t between your ears.

Moderators have commented in the the thread and its still open, what does that tell you ?

Now let the Moderators do the job  that they are actually capable of doing and run along and stop being a little girl.

Were discussing a hypothetical situation if it was to arise about a current player and a former player, if you can't see the difference in that from discussing any one and every one without a source then you've got sh*t between your ears.

Moderators have commented in the the thread and its still open, what does that tell you ?

Now let the Moderators do the job  that they are actually capable of doing and run along and stop being a little girl.

  okay.  I guess it's not really a big deal anyway.

That was easy.

No thanks.

He betrayed our love. you wouldn't take back a partner who thought the grass was greener would you?

Depends how fit she was.

Torres 29 now, sh*t, has won everything in the game apart from EPL, his desire now is money not trophies can see that from the way he plays, lost his passion, judas.

have you been watching the confederations cup? he doesn't look like a player only after money, cups do matter to him.

he isn't as good as he was but he is still worth over 10 mil. HOWEVER, i wouldn't have him back because, as many people have stated, he was at his best during rafa era because rafa played the team to his strengths. the team set up is different now and i just don't think he would fit. in his time, we relied on his pace, playing deep defence and counter attacking football. rogers prefers a high line with more passing and intrictae football in opponent's half...does not suit torres. would be money wasted.

Depends how fit she was.

or how talented

There's more of a chance of a tit w*nk from Anjelina Jolie as Torres has of coming back to Anfield, as said before, we don't re-sign a Judas, i hope he festers at chavs and who knows might even end up at that wee shitty club across the park, now that would be funny !

There's more of a chance of a tit w*nk from Anjelina Jolie , now that would be funny !

Fixed it for ya!

 

There's more of a chance of a tit w*nk from Anjelina Jolie as Torres has of coming back to Anfield, as said before, we don't re-sign a Judas, i hope he festers at chavs and who knows might even end up at that wee shitty club across the park, now that would be funny !

brew spat well and truly out.

To be fair, Torres is looking better all the time. He's been very good in the Confederations Cup.

To be fair, Torres is looking better all the time. He's been very good in the Confederations Cup.

Well scoring four against the might of Tahiti was some achievement.

Shame Thiago Silva used him as his personal bi*ch last night.

The aura of invincibility LFC gave Torres was diminished the day he departed.

We made him the most feared striker in Europe.

We made the Chavs look stupid into paying £50 mil.

Shame Thiago Silva used him as his personal bi*ch last night.

Well scoring four against the might of Tahiti was some achievement.

Shame Thiago Silva used him as his personal bi*ch last night.

Although I don't think I would have Torres back personally, I must say that Thiago Silva has a lot of personal bi*ches. 

Ill never forget the way Torres creeped out of town in the middle of the night. What a traitor "I never kissed the badge" blah blah blah. No way.

Torres should retire indeed!

dont lose any sleep on this - it wont be happening.  what we can take pleasure in is that the player torres was for the bulk of the time he was here; he is not that player now and he must know it.  imagine torres in one of the really great liverpool sides  what a team that would be. Michael Owen recently said that he realised he was not the player he once was and that that was one of the reasons for retiring.  torres seems totally busted as a top striker - that must be hard to contemplate for him, lets face it he's not that old

Still get hit by waves of sadness about how close we were to having a strike force of Torres and Suarez with Stevie behind.
I would have loved to have seen that just for one season.

Never want to see "That Spanish Lad" back, remember this ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8304519/Torres-Im-an-Atletico-fan-I-never-kissed-the-Liverpool-badge.html

Never want to see "That Spanish Lad" back, remember this ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8304519/Torres-Im-an-Atletico-fan-I-never-kissed-the-Liverpool-badge.html

Reading that back, years later with zero emotion, he makes complete sense....


"I never kissed the Liverpool badge. Never. No. No. I never did. I see some players doing that one week after joining a club, but the romanticism in football has gone. It's different now. People are coming and leaving." The shirt is a uniform not a skin.

"I only want to score goals and do my job. When I was born in Madrid, I was not a Liverpool fan or a Chelsea fan. I was an Atletico fan. I still am. They're the only badge I will kiss.

"I understand the fans will be angry. I am a fan of Atletico and couldn't understand when some of the top players left. Football is like this: from one day to another, people love you and then hate you."

"I took the decision to leave Liverpool because I heard about Chelsea's interest. When you have a chance of winning the Champions League and the Premier League, competing with the best, you can't say no.

"Chelsea were pushing hard for me and I really wanted to leave Liverpool, so I told them straight. I explained my situation, my feelings, and was honest with everyone – face to face. That was maybe 10 or 12 days before the window closed."

"Stevie G was one of the first who called me and supported me, hoping the best for me maybe because he was in that situation once [flirting with Chelsea]. He's been a very good friend and team-mate from the first to the last."

Never want to see "That Spanish Lad" back, remember this ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8304519/Torres-Im-an-Atletico-fan-I-never-kissed-the-Liverpool-badge.html

He's being honest there though, he's not a Liverpool fan, he's an Atletico fan!

He's about 3 years past it. Need to stop living in the past here

In hindsight I think Torres left in a far more respectful way in comparison to the approach Suarez has taken. He was honest about his feelings, the club wasn't in the best place at the time and we were offered ridiculous money. Still wouldn't take him back we have all moved on.

Never want to see "That Spanish Lad" back, remember this ?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/liverpool/8304519/Torres-Im-an-Atletico-fan-I-never-kissed-the-Liverpool-badge.html

What's so bad about that? Said what he really felt straight up. Not like some other gobs***e.

No, No and No...

Torres is not the player he was and never IMO will be - why would we want him back and where would he play..? He isent as good as Sturridge who has made a cracking start to his Liverpool carrear and would not play on the wings. Personally, I cant see this happening and very much doubt it will...

Now, Suarez for Mata - that's a different story all together.

Laughing all the way to the bank weren't we getting shut of El Nino for 50m, Chelski were made up so everyone was happy - well the Chavs were until Torres got his boots on.
We knew he was finished when he left, we knew he was finished before he left.

Suarez for Torres ?!?! Someone's evving a fackin larf.

If Chelsea give us 50 million quid and Torress and we move Torres on for 15 mill in January would that be such a bad deal.